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Thanks again!!

Thinkernetter

Really enjoyed our time with you, and appreciate you sharing your insight. Look forward to your next article on Internet Evolution! And again, congrats on the new role at Dimension Data! 

Thinkernetter

Yes, thank you Mark!

Thinkernetter

Thanks, Mark!  Interesting topic, IE!

Thinkernetter

Alison, it was a pleasure.  And thank you to everyone that listened in. 

Thinkernetter

Great discussion.

Thinkernetter

I'd like to thank you so much, Mark, for your time today. It was great. 

Thinkernetter

Yes, Dimension Data offers framework agreements and bundles.  I'll offer a shameless commercial here and highlight our architecture allows clients to integrate with APIs once and be able to light up public or private clouds using the same toolset.

Thinkernetter

As you can tell, Mark, I think they're a great idea!

Thinkernetter

In some cases, data backup centers were knocked out along with the corporate headquarters.  That really made an impact.

Thinkernetter

And are framework agreements suitable for all businesses or only enterprises? Does Dimension Data offer them -- like a bundle, say, for want of a better word -- or do they have to be customized to each biz?

Thinkernetter

Alison - Ah, yes of course. 

Thinkernetter

BC = Business Continuity.   It extends beyond the technical ability to access apps and data.  It goes in to whether people can actually use those apps and data.

Thinkernetter

On a global scale of disasters, Sandy was simply average. But it hit so close to the headquarters of global business that its effect was magnified. 

Thinkernetter

business continuity

Thinkernetter

I'm seeing more framework agreements.   This allows IT to review the security, legal, integration capabilities of a cloud provider up front.  IT can negotiate volume discounts based on usage.  The business units can consume and get charged for what they consume.  All within a framework IT can manage and control.  This is something Dimension Data really excels at. 

Thinkernetter

"BC/DR?" DR is disaster recovery, but what is BC?

Thinkernetter

So Sandy was a pivotal event.  It shifted the mindset.  Interesting.

Thinkernetter

I guess that's to be expected after any major disaster. 

Thinkernetter

There was a big lift in cloud initiatives after Sandy.  This has also contributed to the decrease in security focus (not that it's not a concern anymore) but clients want to talk more about BC/DR. 

Thinkernetter

So under the framework, different departments can then call up the agreed-upon partner and set up their own cloud networks as/when they want (depending on their own budget, I suppose)? That makes sense. Is this something you've started to see more of recently, Mark?

Thinkernetter

All the usual problems of herding kittens inside organizations!

Thinkernetter

The dangers of rogue clouds: Security, data integrity, regulation, backup, disaster recovery. What if a rogue cloud becomes strategic and goes Google Reader?

Thinkernetter

Rogue cloud implementations.  If you define it as purchases made outside of IT, I see it all the time. It's usually business units wanting to start something fast.  It's a tough challenge for IT departments.   I have seen it work best when IT sets up a framework agreement with a provider and allows business units to leverage the agreement.  IT becomes the sponsor and not the roadblock.

Thinkernetter

Joanne also asked: Was there a lift in Cloud initiatives post Sandy? Me: I believe there was, partly as companies reviewed their BC/DR strategies.

Thinkernetter

Did Dante have a circle for passing the buck?

Thinkernetter

If cloud procurement is really procurement of apps, such as salesforce.com, then decentralized buying is business as usual for many companies that haven't solved that old problem yet.

Thinkernetter

Or should it be called Dante's Eighth Circle?!

Thinkernetter

Oh boy, Mark, that sounds horrendous (the circle of regulation). 

Thinkernetter

Joanne, I've heard it called just that. 

Thinkernetter

Yes -- and more than that, you had R&D, for example, going out and buying a cloud service contract on a business credit card if their company didn't support cloud and/or IT took too long to approve a cloud implementation.

Thinkernetter

@Mitch - sounds like BYOC!

Thinkernetter

Allison, the groups that focus on the complexities of legal and regulations is usually a combination of multiple departments unless it is a small organization.  In small organizations, it's often the IT person that gets saddled with it all.  In larger organizations, it sometimes becomes a management by committee where things slow down and impede the ability to implement.  It becomes legal asking IT how they will support a regulation.  It's IT asking legal what technical options satisfy regulations.  It sometimes becomes a circle. 

Thinkernetter

Alison, good question. Lots of business managers are out there setting up Dropbox, Google Drive, and Evernote accounts on their own. 

Thinkernetter

Joanne, yes, and some of them still have them -- Walmart for example, with its acquisition of an m-commerce vendor. 

Thinkernetter

This reminds me of retailers setting up Internet divisions, such as www.saks.com about ten years ago.  They created separate business units for speed to market.

Thinkernetter

Do you still see a lot of "rogue" cloud implementations? Or has IT managed to mainly centralize cloud control, Mark?

Thinkernetter

Kim, I'm not familiar with clud app marketplaces. how would that work? Vendors selling a full range of enterprise apps, and offering support and one-stop billing.  One-stop app shopping.

Thinkernetter

There are many large IT companies that have also been successful separating thier legacy environments from new services they need to offer.  Successful cloud conversions come when they are willing to separate current business processes from what needs to be achieved - leverage the cloud in new situations where it makes sense.

Thinkernetter

So the older companies have had to scramble, in some cases, and play catch up once again.  No wonder speed is so important.

Thinkernetter

Here's a question based on the premise that a business isn't working with a cloud service provider that deals with this issue! Who in a company focuses on the complexities of regulations?  Legal? IT?

Thinkernetter

Mark, makes sense. Starting from scratch is simpler than trying to migrate an existing infrastructure. Though not necessarily easier -- it has its own challenges. 

Thinkernetter

Yes, Mark, as you said before, those that didn't have to deal with the challenge of legacy apps and processes.

Thinkernetter

I guess it depends, too, on what developers are doing. Today many leading devs still offer both on-premise and cloud apps -- but I think that will change.

Thinkernetter

The companies that have done a stellar job at cloud conversion are companies that have had to rapidly light up a broad web presence but haven't had the legacy apps to deal with.  Game companies... Web-facing... You know the names...

 

Thinkernetter

Kim, I'm not familiar with clud app marketplaces. how would that work?

Thinkernetter

Yes, Kim.  The choice is still cloud.

Thinkernetter

Yes.  If there's ROI in some way with cloud apps, why would they go back to buying non-cloud apps?

Thinkernetter

Joanne, I think the growth of cloud app marketplaces is certainly likely to narrow the range of cloud apps available: but that's a slightly different point.

Thinkernetter

Certainly, I've been seeing a groundswell of IT that sees the market that way. They're looking to run apps on cloud as quickly as possible. 

Thinkernetter

Mark - Any companies come to mind that have done a stellar job at Cloud conversion? asked by Joanne Goldman

Thinkernetter

Joanne, what do you mean? That cloud apps will become the only option?

Thinkernetter

When it's time to buy new software, I wonder if the choice will be cloud apps -- or cloud apps.

Thinkernetter

I knew Salesforce.com had done a great marketing job. Appears they did an even better job than I'd thought!

Thinkernetter

Thanks for the clarification as to what's driving C-level -- business reasons over tech reasons.  Makes sense!

Thinkernetter

That's an interesting point, Mark -- about c-levels not thinking about migrating existing apps. So I guess that means they're looking ahead, not back, which really gives IT a real opportunity to save the organization a lot of money and time by revisiting inefficient older systems/approaches.

Thinkernetter

Actually, that raises another question: What SaaS providers are C-level execs aware of, other than Salesforce?

Thinkernetter

Hi Kim, most cloud providers are providing either SaaS or IaaS.   I see less PaaS offerings in the market.  I also see adoption coming most frequently in that order.  SaaS first, IaaS second

Thinkernetter

Mark - Good point! So c-level folks aren't saying, "we need cloud." They're saying, "Should we go to Salesforce?" or "Should we go to Google Apps?" or other SaaS providers by name. And maybe not Google Apps. 

Thinkernetter

I don't recall Mark delineating.  Perhaps he can comment on both.

Thinkernetter

Mark, does that comfort come from any changes in cloud security as a whole, or a better understanding on the customer's part of what their own security needs are in regards to the cloud?

Rank: Cave Painter

Hi Mitch, most C-level execs think of cloud as apps like Salesforce.com and whether they can be customized for their business.  They aren't thinking about migrating existing apps to the cloud as often and whether that will provide benefits.

Thinkernetter

Mark, are private clouds typically providing IaaS or PaaS? (I mean private cloud vendors)

Thinkernetter

Mark, are private clouds typically providing IaaS or PaaS?

Thinkernetter

Joanne, how so? Speed of implementing cloud or cloud facilitating speed of business execution?

Thinkernetter

Joanne had lots of good questions. I'm going through and trying to find them all, but here's one: How does downsizing IT come into play with Cloud conversion strategies?

Thinkernetter

The need for speed was talked about as a key driver.

Thinkernetter

Rodney, I believe clients are not dominating cloud conversations with security because they are more comfortable.  This applies iwth many applications but not all.  There will always be applications where security will dominate but clients are classifying more in to the 'less critical' category

 

Thinkernetter

Mark, @Mitch had a question that followed up on one of your points: What are C-level execs major concerns and preconceptions about cloud, before they've been educated by IT?

Thinkernetter

I would think it would be speed in implementation and post-implementation.

Thinkernetter

Alison, you mean ranking criteria for best cloud enterprises? That assumes that cost-savings is the primary benefit of cloud. But how would you measure -- to use Mark's term -- strategic agility?

Thinkernetter

Wonder how you could rank them, though. Maybe hours or days saved?

Thinkernetter

Hi Rodney, having mulitple locations allows us to put data in the specific locations our clients need sometimes.  That allows us to avoid some locations where data can't cross boundaries.

 

Thinkernetter

@Kim to Mark's point its not prohibative but rather a it needs to be included.  

Rank: Cave Painter

Good question, Joanne. There are pages of cloud provider and vendor case studies, but it would be interesting to see a third-party ranking.

Thinkernetter

@Alison - Both in execution of projects, as well as ROI.

Thinkernetter

always security.

Rank: Cave Painter

Where have C-level folks gotten their information from if they're approaching IT at times with directives or initiative requests?

Thinkernetter

Mark, is security no longer the dominant concern because customers are convinced it has been solved, or have given up asking about it?

Rank: Cave Painter

@john.addeo I wonder if some industries are constrained from any cloud adoption because of regulatory concerns?

Thinkernetter

In what way, Joanne?

Thinkernetter

One point I find interestin: What are C-level execs major concerns and preconceptions about cloud, before they've been educated by IT?

Thinkernetter

Any companies come to mind that have done a stellar job at Cloud conversion?

Thinkernetter

Hi, Alison! Good job on the interview -- well done!

Thinkernetter

While we wait, are there any further questions for Mark?

Thinkernetter

I'm here, Mitch! But I can't answer the questions!

Thinkernetter

Mark, @Rodney asked -- Mark, if you have cloud datacenters around the world, how do you handle customer concerns about data residency?

Thinkernetter

Waiting for Mark and Alison to join the text chat. Dum de dum. Dum de dum. 

Thinkernetter

@kim security is a very large concern especially for regulated industries. 

Rank: Cave Painter

Hi Kim, Security used to dominate the conversations.  It is always still a part but doesn't dominate.

Thinkernetter

Yes, Kim, that is surprising. These days, I tend to assume security is a dominant concern for everything and everyone. 

Thinkernetter

Interesting that security is not a dominant concern.

Thinkernetter

Of course, if the cloud is on prem you don't have the centralized security you get with public cloud. 

Thinkernetter

@Joanne,  Legal, Risk and Compliance along with IT and board.  Depending on industry size and complexity of regulations

Rank: Cave Painter

If there are business benefits, such as regulatory, or data prioritization for business units, how involved is the business in Cloud initiatives?

Thinkernetter

So the workflow benefits accrue over time, they're not immediate. 

Thinkernetter

@aum007, re: MQ,  very cynical.  Great resource for businesses to validate partners ability to deliver.  There is a lot of work involved in the process, proof points and capabilities.  Look at it as another resource to investigate and validate

Rank: Cave Painter

@Kim - or a team of people across the company.  Is it a separate unit?

Thinkernetter

Compliance must be legal's responsibility, ultimately.

Thinkernetter

Legal.  Must be.

Thinkernetter

Who in a company focuses on the complexities of regulations?  Legal? IT?

Thinkernetter

This is an interesting point. So cloud providers can help businesses adapt to regulations. That's an angle to cloud that had not occurred to me. 

Thinkernetter

The Magic Quadrant is a massive-Massive Marketing Buzzword -- learn something new every day.

Thinkernetter

Was there a lift in Cloud initiatives post Sandy?

Thinkernetter

Mark, if you have cloud datacenters around the world, how do you handle customer concerns about data residency?

Rank: Cave Painter

@Mitch - yes, it used to be on after the Muppet Show.

Thinkernetter

@Mitch, or the park just off Diagon Alley in Harry Potter.

Rank: Cave Painter

@Mitch-The Magic Quadrant is a massive-Massive Marketing Buzzword for IT Sales and Marketing

Thinkernetter

Curious as to whether the business side sees any day-to-day benefits.

Thinkernetter

"The Magic Quadrant." That always seems like the name of a children's show. 

Thinkernetter

@Kim - I'm not sure what the distinction is between public and private cloud is either.

Thinkernetter

@carrie-sometimes our machines just get overloaded! Lol!

Thinkernetter

Playing smoothly in Firefox for me.

Thinkernetter

I am having the same issue, i hear a couple of words and then it quits playing

 

Rank: Cave Painter

FlemLyn6, try refreshing the page, or using an alternate browser. 

Thinkernetter

Private cloud: Is that PaaS, IaaS, or a mix?

Thinkernetter

Is there a phased approach to Cloud conversion with ROI as they go?

Thinkernetter

Who are the leading private and hybrid cloud providers?

Thinkernetter

I can't hear the interview.  I hear a couple words and then it cuts me off.  I logged in, so what's the problem?  Anyone know?

Rank: Cave Painter

I'd be surprised if the C-suite sees a difference between private-public-hybrid. They possibly don't even know what cloud is. They just know they think they might want it. They read about it in an airline magazine. :)

Thinkernetter

Another good question from Joanne. We're keeping track, and if we don't address them during the audio portion we'll do so during the text chat. 

Thinkernetter

Yes, it is, Kim. Encompasses time to market, opening new markets, improved collaboration. 

Thinkernetter

How does downsizing IT come into play with Cloud conversion strategies?

Thinkernetter

I think "strategic agility" is a pretty good term.

Thinkernetter

Hi, Rodney! Thanks for joining. 

Thinkernetter

Good question, Joanne.

Thinkernetter

Howdy folks.

Rank: Cave Painter

Is the C-level concerned about cloud security?

Thinkernetter

If you're having problems with audio, refresh your browser and then click Play. 

Thinkernetter

I think we just missed Alison saying hello.

Thinkernetter

Yeah, try refreshing your browser....worked for me.

Rank: Cave Painter

Had to Hit Control-F5, then Audio worked!

Rank: Cave Painter

Technical support is on its way. 

Thinkernetter

We seem to be experiencing audio problems. Please stand by. 

Thinkernetter

A refresh worked to get the audio.

Thinkernetter

Clicking "Play" not effective...

Rank: Cave Painter

I am not hearing anything either.

Rank: Cave Painter

Npe not me. Are you clicking the Play button?

Thinkernetter

Not hearing audio yet...

 

Rank: Cave Painter

is anyone else getting audio yet?

IQ Crew

Hello, is anyone experiencing audio problems?

 

Thinkernetter

Good Afternoon

Rank: Cave Painter

Happy Thursday, everyone! It's showtime! 

!jazzhands!

Thinkernetter

*GRIN*   Hope so!

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Here comes the rush!

Thinkernetter

Small crowd today!

Rank: Cave Painter

Hi Everyone!

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Hello everyone

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waiting !

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Hi Gang!.. a Little early...  *GRIN*

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