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Boris Wertz, Founder & General Partner, Version One Ventures

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@lin, maybe that's getting to be a drawback. Customers don't like to hear about patents, because it may mean the startup is apt to sue or get sued in the future, leading to its disappearance. Who wants that when you're looking to buy IT products? You want endless support.

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On the other side, many VC's won't talk to a startup if they don't have patents pending.

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Good point, aum007. In other words, a time and cash drain. Not where startups want to put their hard-won funding.

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@lin-correct! thats because Patent protection can be a time consuming and cash accretive process today.

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@lin: Yes, it sounds as though Boris doesn't emphasize patents to his startups.

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That's just one story of its early days, aum007.

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@Mary - About a month ago, Gil Elbaz of Factual was on IE Radio.  It was interesting to me that Factual didn't have any patent applications, even though Gil Elbaz was an inventor on a lot of patents while with Google.   I think very fast and nimble software companies may be eschewing the whole patent process.  

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@mary-Fascinating! I studied Token ring basics in school but nobody told me this is how it orignated!

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Well, into a David v. David fight, anyway.

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The point  is that Madge was able to do that because it had sold enough products to throw its weight into a David and Goliath fight.

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@Lin: Again, I can't speak for Boris, obviously. But he seemed to like a comparison I made. In the 1980s, a small Canadian company called Madge Networks developed a local area network technology called token ring. It was based on some other theories etc. But one guy sued the startup, claiming to own the technologh. Founder Robert Madge stood his ground. As a result, token ring became widespread and was adopted by all the big IT firms.

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Still mulling over Boris' comment re traction being more important than IP.  

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@Lin: They should have been on top of the shifts.

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@mary - i think the market changed too quickly for RIM to respond.   plus, they just fundamentally couldn't get out of the keyboard mode.

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I don't know whether RIM willfully ignored its customer base. Perhaps it did. Someone may have believed in "build it and they will come" instead of "build what they want."

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@Lin: I think RIM didn't do its market homework. If you don't understand your customer requirement, you can't develop products that address the market.

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compare that to Samsung,each phone just gets better and better than the previous one!

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@lin-RIMs problem was that it was not ambitous enough.The Torch was good phone,but not much following it up.

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co-CEO'ing could work if there were clearly defined areas of responsibility.

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Mary - was RIM's problem lacking product focus or was it ignoring it's customer base?

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I think a few other companies tried the co-CEO thing.

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I don't see anything unusual in RIM's failure. Classic case of a company failing to realize the market they once monopolized has since moved on. The two-CEO solution was uniquely bad, though. 

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Ha! Anyway, I do think RIM lacked focus, as demonstrated by product lateness.

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@aum007 -- I can say that because I lived in Montreal for two summers!

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@lin-how u are getting really nasty wid the Canadians.

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@aum007--No, I was thinking that it meant a lack of strategic focus.

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Maybe RIM needed to have a French speaking CEO and an English speaking CEO.

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@MAry-Such as ?That too many people wanted the coveted C-Suite?

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@aum007. I don't know that you could attribute RIM's stock crash to two CEOs. But I think it's worth probing what the dual CEO situation said about RIM management.

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Some business theorists say Canadians aren't good at asserting themselves, Mitch.

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Mary - That was the theory -- and it was a good theory. But it didn't seem to work out that way. 

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@Mary-Is that why RIM's shareholders have crashed the stock?

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I'm curious about what makes that a particularly Canadian problem. Bonehead management decisions can come from any nationality. 

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@Mitch: But having a Groupon might introduce a customer to a restaurant he really liked.

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lin, I think we may have lost Boris. But we can talk amongst ourselves and hope for his return. 

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Agreed, aum007. I can't think of a board who'd want to work with two CEOs. Can't think it would be popular with shareholders either.

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But someone was asleep in the wheelhouse.

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IOW, someone who signed up for a GroupOn for a restuarant today isn';t likely to return to that restaurant tomorrow (which is why the restaurant invested in the Groupon). The consumer will isntead go to anotehr restaurant offering another groupon another day. 

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mary-what happens wid two CEOs is that nobody takes charge! Thats nasty!!!

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Groupon might have been able to address those issues, Mitch, if management had been nimble enough.

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Also, Groupon's business customers eventually realized they weren't winning loyal customers of their own by offering Groupons. Groupon was acquiring a massive base of consumers who went from one Groupon to another. 

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Still with us, Boris?

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Their business strategy was to acquire a massive database of email addresses and then monetize it. they hvent been able to achieve step #2. 

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So it leads me to wonder what else was bungled at the top.

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Those are really bad missteps for top management to make.

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Well, Mason made those glaring errors in speaking to the media during the IPO quiet period. Then there was the awful Tibet commercial during the Super Bowl.

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Can't speak for Boris, but IMO RIM lost its focus. Another leadership problem. I mean, two CEOs! What's that about? Indecision!

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Mary, how so?

 

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IMO GroupOn had leadership problems. Big ones

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aum007 - That's what I was getting at. I wonder if Boris was speaking about a corporate culture problem with RIM. 

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I'm talking pre-meltdown Netflix, of course. 

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bwertz-I disagree.RIM has plenty of Business outside Canada today.I dont think the Canada focus was responsible for thier current issues.

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Kim, Amazon and Netflix are both examples of businesses that did something anyone could do, but succeeded by doing it better than anyone else. And GroupOn was doing what they did better than anyone else. The problem is they didn't make money off it. 

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Sure, not the only problem, but I think it's hard to get traction doing something anyone else can do.

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@Mitch-Yeah! Where's the money Honey!!! Lol!!!

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Speaking of monetization, @Boris, what is your prediction about the future of online advertising?

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Kim, I don't know if GroupOn's problem was copyright. They couldn't monetize. That's an old problem on the Internet -- to the point where someone who adopts the centuries-old business model of selling something people want for less than it costs to produce suddenly starts looking like a breathtaking innovator. 

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bwertz - That's very intereseting. What do you mean by "too Canada-focused?" RIM, at least, was a global business.

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@Boris:  You said traction trumps IP.  Traction is a real challenge, though, isn't it?  I'm thinking of GroupOn, which seemed to have good traction in the deals market, but because it couldn't copyright what it was doing, soon faced plenty of competition.

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@Boris, are any specific countries more startup-friendly? More conducive to new tech startups than others?

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@Mary: I think they were too Canada-focused and didn't look at what was happening around them

 

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Is there any commonality in those two big fails? (or nearly fails)

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Same question for Boris, re:, skills?

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aum007 - So how can we turn those with general skills into the people with specialized skills that the economy needs?

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@Boris, I have a few questions I didn't get to ask. One was this: RIM and Nortel. Two big Canadian tech successes, now biting the dust. What went wrong?

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@Mitch-That blog will be massive-massive Hit!!! Send it thru to Zuckerberg!!!

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Hello Boris! Welcome to the chat and many thanks for a great interview!

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@Mitch-Unemployment is high for people with general skills,not those with highly specialized skills today.

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Good job, Boris and Mary! Thanks for joining us, Boris. 

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Lin, no relation to version one software and focuse don North-America

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Agreed on Bezos. Terrific! One for the business books.

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Kim, yeah, good point. I'm writing a blog on that later today. Headline: "Facebook Looking To Dodge Becoming The Worlds' Most Successful Failure."

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@Kim-Bezos is a Super-star,I was just reading his autobiography and he has done immense work so far(starting from Initial stage of coding).

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Hi everyone. Boris has already registered and will be with us shortly.

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Some people don't have any, of course,  but Alan Reiter has two or three hundred.

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Boris -- starting with two questions:

1) Any relation to versionone software?

2) Are your startups mostly in the States?   If so, is there a particular reason for this?

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I saw data this week that the number of devices will outstrip the world population by next year.

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Bezos could sell me anything (if I could afford it).

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Facebook announced 1 billion users today, but that does underline the question - what shall we do with them?

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With Steve Jobs gone, Jeff Bezos is the most brilliant living entrepreneur. 

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Or, rather, how important is HTML5?

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Which will be more successful: Apps or mobile Websites? How important is HTML?

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lin - You could be right. 

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That's an important balance: he has a responsibility to his investors.

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Mitch - I think the problem may be a mismatch between the skillsets of the unemployed and the needs of startups.

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With unemployment so high, is attracting people really a problem?

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What about Microsoft and Google? Microsoft set off with the vision of putting a computer on every desktop, and Google wanted to index all the world's information. Those are pretty broad missions. 

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I think he means it's more important to become dominant in a market than to copyright what you're doing.

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How can B2B companies best take advantage of social media?

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Kim - Could be. My head is full of cotton wool today. But I wonder what "traction" means? Installed base?

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@Kim-Please! Try dealing with pesky customers on top of the whole deal.Not fun at all!!!

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I'm sure Boris said "traction is the new IP."  Did I mishear?

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@aum007 Nah, all they do is fiddle with code.  Easiest job in the world.

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Kim - Tracton? What do you mean?

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Kim - I know. You call it "shoplifting," I call it "m-commerce."

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That didn't work for GroupOn so far.  Maybe just shows how hard it is.

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@kim- Dont be so hard on the Web Developers behind IE(Being one myself) I know how hard the job really is.

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Kim - I think Yahoo under its new CEO is letting employees choose their own devices. Anything but BlackBerry. 

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Traction is the new IP.  I have questions about that!

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@aum007: Let's hope this is a lasting fix!

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Just pick up your merchandise and leave.


People hate it when I do that.

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I love the new blogtalk format-The styling as well as the background is much more robust!

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Google CIO yesterday said his strategy was to give employees enterprise devices they really wanted to use.  When an employee likes his work device more than his leisure device, more work gets done, of course.   But Google's rich.

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Retail = An end to the cash register. Just pick up your merchandise and leave. 

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I don't see a RIM turnaround as likely. 

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I wonder if there's a fairness issue here -- asking employees to pay for their own work tools. 

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How can enterprises best manage the security and managability challenges of BYOD?

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Been hearing at Interop all week that employees love their own devices.

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Firefox is fine today.  I see we have a different interface for the radio.  Our behind-the-scenes people have been trying to improve the service.

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I'll try Firefox. 

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Hmmm... I'm not getting audio. Anyone else having a problem?

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Boris has registered and will join us after the audio portion is completed.

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Hi, everyone! Looking forward to a great chat. 

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Hi everyone. Here is where we'll be meeting online with Boris Wertz.

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