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Gil Elbaz, Founder of Factual

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Gil, many thanks for taking the time for today's interview.  Terrific to have you on the show.

Thinkernetter

http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/  You've given us plenty to think about and follow up, Gil.  Many thanks.

Thinkernetter

Thanks.  Hope you come back and talk with us again soon.

IQ Crew

I have to sign off in just a minute - I enjoyed answering questions ane being part of this conversation at Internet Evolution.  Thanks you so much!

Thinkernetter

One last comment about X Prize - my wife and I are proud that we were the first to contribute to what became known as the Progressive Insurance Automative X Prize - and we loved going to Michigan to see these amazing teams compete with production-ready automobiles built with never before seen efficiencies , over 100 eMPG.

Thinkernetter

I think X Prize and incentive prizes in general are a tremendous model for encouraging the right kind of innovation to achieve key breakthroughs that are needed to move us forward.

Thinkernetter

@Kim, I've been very involved with X Prize for about 6 or 7 years now.  I've served on the board of directors and have been on the vision circle (as a significant donor).  I fell in love with this concept of awarding prizes based on achievable metrics that a competitor meets rather than looking back at a body of work and awarding a prize and money looking backwards, sometimes posthumously.

Thinkernetter

@Mary, We are already enjoying significant success in the Places ecosystem, providing data or partnering with a whole range of major companies including Yelp, Groupon, Living Social, and so forth.  So, we feel like we are already becoming a hub for this type of data.

The very long term vision around having an impact across many more verticals may be a few years out.

Thinkernetter

Are you planning to continue your involvement with the X Prize Foundation?  Is it proving valuable?

Thinkernetter

@Gil - I haven't seen Factual much in the patent world, which is confusing because young companies often put in for a lot of patents.  Is there a philosophy here?

IQ Crew

@Gil: How long do you anticipate before the success you describe? What's the timeline/trajectory?

Thinkernetter

@Mitch, What keeps me up at night?  There are so many opportunities to leverage big data - data we have or data we could get - to add value in to so many sectors.  But, we are still a growing company and so the many question that I think about is whether our focus is just right.  I think if we can keep focused and really blow away the industry with our data quality in a few areas (today, it is Places and Products), than it will position us for future success.

Thinkernetter

What are your biggest concerns? What keeps you up at night?

Thinkernetter

I am amazed at the strides Siri has been making.  We did poke some fun at it here in its early days.

Thinkernetter

Sure, it is somewhat a marketing maneuver to change the name of the category - but there is real meat behind this shift of thinking.

Thinkernetter

"Answer engines" is a sensible term -- when I type "weather" into Google, I don't just get links to weather services, I get a weather report. I've always taken "decision engine" to be a no-content marketing buzzword from Microsoft. Sort of like saying someone is a "custodial engineer" rather than a "janitor."

Thinkernetter

@Mitch, we've seen on how the big search engines make it easy to query something like "weather san francisco" and see instant information.  That trend is continuing.  Wolfram Alpha has done a huge amount of work on their platform.  Siri (which also uses Wolfram Alpha in the back-end) is a brilliant example.  Google Now has been very interesting.  Many new great examples from smaller companies as well.

Thinkernetter

Sounds like you have some clearly defined and sensible market segments. 

Thinkernetter

@Mitch - Answer Engines and Decision Engines are terms that have been used by Bing and others to differentiate them from a traditional search engine.  The goal isn't just to search for a web page with relevant information, but to provide you immediate answers to help inform a decision.

Thinkernetter

@Mitch, Continuing on with the customer segments, a 2nd is around the mobile advertising opportunity and we've worked with companies like ThinkNear who are selling new hyperlocal campaigns into brands and ad agencies.  Finally, there is the enterprise opportunity - helping large companies clean, enrich or integrate their own data in support of better business intelligence within various functions from marketing to supply chain.

Thinkernetter

thanks again as usual

Rank: Cave Painter

@Gil - Not familiar with MyTown. What is it?

Thinkernetter

@Mitch, Regarding customers, there are 3 key segments.  One are application developers building websites or mobile apps that are primarily building location-aware services.  An example would be Booyah's location-based game MyTown.

Thinkernetter

@Gil - That's intersting. What are answer engines and decision engines? Sorry if I'm hitting you with too many questions. 

Thinkernetter

Of course!  This trend towards social sharing, finding things through social relationships - part of the same movement.  Great insight.

Thinkernetter

@Kim, There is clearly still tons of room for innovation here, and, we are delighted to see companies still working hard on search whether in a specific vertical like restaurants or more broadly. 

Thinkernetter

@Kim, I'm fascinated by intelligent search which might be a good umbrella term to refer to everything from answer engines, decision engines, real-time social analytics.

Thinkernetter

@Gil - Who are your primary customers? Mainly the restaurant industry?

Thinkernetter

Google and Factual are very different businesses.  Factual is a data and API provider to other businesses whereas Google's main focus in being in front of the consumer.  So, while Google has some capabilities to provide data broadly to application developers and enterptise, it doesn't appear to us that this will be their primary focus.

Thinkernetter

There seems to be a towards what you might call "intelligent search" - search which is informed by user history, and enhanced by machine learning.  Would it be fair to see Factual and the new Google Search as very different instances of this?

Thinkernetter

@Gil Are you concerned about the competition from Google?

Thinkernetter

@Mitch, I agree Google is going down the path toward ansewering more questions rather than just providing links.  On one hand there is such a long tail of information that they likely will keep on with their traditional link business for a very long time to come.  On the other hand, it is clear that the structured data is taking up increasingly more of the real estate.

Thinkernetter

Mitch - I hope our deep restaurants database helped you narrow in on lunchtime choices.  (Of course, we aren't really a consumer service.  Probably better is to use a consumer app that has partnered with us like Yelp, for example.)

Thinkernetter

@Gil, yesterday I found that if I requested a list of restaurants, it might have taken a day to deliver it. Is that usual?

Thinkernetter

It looks to me like you might be colliding with Google at some point. They're trying to expose more answers to queries on their home page, rather than just links to pages where answers can be found. Is that an issue for you?

Thinkernetter

Regarding privacy, we don't face any significant privacy issues today because we aren't exposing information about individuals.  Rather we are tracking businesses, places, products and exposing information that is generally very public - and in a great majority of these cases, these businesses want this information out there.  In fact, they often are yearning for a hyper clean source to reduce misinformation on the web.

Thinkernetter

Marden, the program is over, I'm afraid. We're down to the text chat now. And as for the clicking on keyboard sound -- that should have stopped by now. 

Thinkernetter

Hi Marden. You shouldn't hear anything now.

Thinkernetter

Hi, Had to sign in a bit late. Is it just me or is there a sound issue? I can hear someone clicking on their  keyboard. Apologies for this type of post.

Rank: Cave Painter

This talk about restaurants is making me hungry. Getting on lunchtime here....

Thinkernetter

Regarding something like waybackmachine (which is an amazing service at archive.org)...  

Right now our focus is on providing the current freshest data on entities that we track (places, products).  We don't currently have time series data on our roadmap.  But our general strategy is to map (using our Crosswalk Service) to many other powerful APIs that may have more granular information, for example, Yelp would have a terrific historical database of reviews.

But, providing historical structured data - this is something we should think internally more about.  Interested in ideas you'd have.

Thinkernetter

Agh, sorry, I meant to say, "I'm guessing multiple mapping services."

Thinkernetter

@Gil: Why did you attract so many restaurants to using Factual?

Thinkernetter

One more and then I'll shut up: How do you address regulatory and privacy concerns? What are the other risks of what you do?

Thinkernetter

Actually, I'm guessing multiple data services.

Thinkernetter

What are your most useful data sources? The Census and a mapping service would be two, I'm sure. 

Thinkernetter

I see a question about usig solid state storage.  We have been testing that and plan to use solid state as key to our infrastructure.  That is clearly a huge opportunity given the dramatic price drops, and the significant potential for very fast random access.

Thinkernetter

Well, I had another half an hour of questions on Gil's non-Factual interests and projects...  Maybe next time.

Thinkernetter

How do you address privacy concerns?

Thinkernetter

Hi, Gil! Good interview. 

Thinkernetter

Hello folks - just catching up with some questions now.

Thinkernetter

Gil - two questions

1) Are you planning a history option ... like waybackmachine, but for locations.

2) Your LA office is in Century City.  I hear about Venice Silicon Beach as a tech hub in LA, but not Century City.  Is Century City a new tech hub in LA or 

IQ Crew

Inevitably, many companies will remove humans from the loop. It's the next step after outsourcing. This will certainly prove to be good for some companies, disastrous for others. 

Thinkernetter

"Use the Force, Luke."

Thinkernetter

Wondering whether you're using solid state storage in house, Gil.

Thinkernetter

Who are Factual's customers? What's their business model?

Thinkernetter

Mitch,  Not sure about the accuracy of your spelling, but that is something I've heard in real life French.

IQ Crew

If you write to Factual, it seems you can get lists of every single hotel, motel, or restaurant there ever was! Sometimes it takes time for the results to show.

Thinkernetter

Funny how restaurant data factors big on Factual.

Thinkernetter

60 million places... but how much storage?

Thinkernetter

Great definition of big data.

Thinkernetter
May I listen from your iPad app?
Rank: Cave Painter

Was that correct French at all? I have no idea. I speak menu-French and that's it. 

Thinkernetter

Seems it was my system. Whew!

Thinkernetter

Bonjour, mes amis!

Thinkernetter

I'm hearing a loop of audio!

 

Thinkernetter

Thanks.  I'm calling in from Los Angeles, from Factual HQ.

Thinkernetter

Gil, where are you located now?

Thinkernetter

Hello there Gil! Welcome!

Thinkernetter

I'm here, just testing!

Thinkernetter

Hi everyone! Hi Craiger!

Thinkernetter

afternoon

Rank: Cave Painter

Everybody ready?

Thinkernetter
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