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Reuven Cohen, SVP, Virtustream

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Reuven should call phone Co. and request a new filter on service...Mel

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Broadcast audio quality is bad.  Take proper corrective action...Mel

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Source is ringing audio.  Dial back in...Mel

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Dial back in...Please

Mel

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good day to all

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good info thanks

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Thanks for the virustream! 

 

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Thank you. Bye all.

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Thanks everyone for joining us today. You know this board is yours if you'd like to stay on.

Thinkernetter

bye!

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(I've been following for awhile!)

Thinkernetter

Thanks Reuven.

Thinkernetter

Thanks for the link! Reuven is also on twitter at @rUv

Thinkernetter

No problem.

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We'll be in touch!

Thinkernetter

Here's my latest @forbes post, posted about an hour ago > http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2012/06/28/the-sky-is-the-limit-for-latest-platform-as-a-service-offerings/

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Reuven, thank you so  much for joining us!

Thinkernetter

Thank you very much for spending time with us today, Reuven!

IQ Crew

thanks everyone, this was fun!

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Any final questions for Reuven?

Thinkernetter

Does anyone else have questions for Reuven?

Thinkernetter

unless your boat has a hole.

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Not that I have anything against the gown photos. I really like them.

Thinkernetter

A rising tide lifts all boats?!

Thinkernetter

@ruv: So theoretically, being for profit really boosts the economy so it doesn't matter whether the startup is about pinning bridal gown photos to an online bb board?

Thinkernetter

@kim, the advertising model only supports the largest players, the rest adapt or die

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Unfortunately very true, Reuven! Seems simple enough, but it's largely ignored or shrugged off.

IQ Crew

If you're creating a non profit, than building for the sake of building is ok,

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Reuven, are you surprised to see all these start ups dreaming of taking a share of the shrinking advertising cake as their main revenue stream?

Thinkernetter

@nicole, a lot of startups forget to focus on the main reason for creating a for profit business. To create a profit.

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Thanks for coming, kkohli!

IQ Crew

Bye for now, kkohli. Thank you for joining us.

Thinkernetter

@mary, No, there are hundreds

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Okguys n gals good day
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Too many aren't focused on what makes money at all.

IQ Crew

@ruv: Do you attend all the CloudCamps?

Thinkernetter

That's a nice idea for startups.

IQ Crew

Startups should focus on what makes the most money. 

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@ruv: Do you think more startups should focus on tech that's useful to society, as opposed to social networking, gaming, etc.?

Thinkernetter

You need to create synergies to improve the value proposition of buzzwords.

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Outside of IT, most people are just using the internet. Who cares what it's called.

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Don't leverage buzz words.  Good advice.  LOL

Thinkernetter
Kohli.kunal link up
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as mentor, I tell folks to focus on the problem they're solving, not the buzz word. 

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Yes, G+, but who can remember those urls.

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I get the impression that, outside of IT, people today don't even realise half the time that they're using cloud services - it has become so natural.

I used to store short docs by sending them to myself as emails.  It didn't occur to me I was storing them in the cloud (before Google Docs, etc, of course).

 

Thinkernetter

@ruv: As a mentor for startups, in what areas do you see the most promising technology? I assume cloud is one but only one.

Thinkernetter
@ruv on g+?
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Deceased equine. I love it!

IQ Crew

I'm also on twitter @ruv if anyone is interested..

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lol. a deceased equine. Stop horsing around ;)

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Enomaly is now Virtustream xStream 2.0

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Sorry to wallap a deceased equine here!

Thinkernetter

Agreed, unused capacity is no longer a requirement,

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So... what is Enomaly's service today? Hybrid?

Thinkernetter

Question: Now that elastic cloud is a reality, won't all cloud services tend to become elastic?  Nobody will want to pay for unused capacity.

Thinkernetter

Salesforce bought Navajo Systems. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Salesforcecom-Acquires-SaaS-Encryption-Provider-Navajo-Systems-331154/  Navajo encrypted in the cloud. Hoping this becomes a trend.

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@ruv I characterize Enomaly by the most frequent market terms. You need to position yourself based upon common terminonology. 

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@mary, we're crossing the chasm. The next few years we'll see a reduction in companies, but an overall  increase in revenue.

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@marden great point about keeping key safe
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@ruv: You don't seem to want to characterize Enomaly with those classifications today.

Thinkernetter

The IT cartel matters a lot less these days. The barriers to entry have been removed, anyone anywhere can be a software developer. 

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@Ruv: When I think of the cloud market, I envision the present as a point on the initial uptilt of a bell curve. Like right down at the very lower lefthand side of the chart. What do you think of that?

Thinkernetter

Note, I'm a cloud fan because of economie of scale, probably superior physical and data security, uptime, elasticity... But I have to sell the case. Encryption would really help -- especially if we hold the keys.

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@mary, I didn't describe it as public or private back then. It wasn't until Amazon EC2 appeared did it get a name like that.

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But will the IT Cartel allow the embracing of cloud
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@nicole, my article looked at both news and web searches for cloud computing. Both are down. 

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So it was a public cloud! :>

Thinkernetter

Nicole -- when you have your research data in sight, and you can unplug the device and put it in a safe, you may feel safer, even if it's not. Lots of folks just like to know where their data is physically stored. Similar to people who like to print e-mails perhaps.

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I don't think seeing a server is safer. Incompetent practices can take place on site/ collocated Or cloud.
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@kim, yes this is true.

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The original version of enomaly back in 2004 was a web accessible API on top of virtualization, which I described as an Elastic Infrastructure provided as a service. 

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I think the FBI is more likely than anyone else to actually physically remove servers!

Thinkernetter

Reuven, so what do you think it means then that mentions of cloud computing, according to Google, have dropped?

IQ Crew

servers are physcially secure, but it's generally not the physcial security that is the problem. 

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Ah! Thanks ruv. So I'm still not clear as to whether Enomaly in its original iteration was private cloud or hybrid.

Thinkernetter

Marden, "psychologically" safer?

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@Marden:  I haven't seen a server since... ooh, maybe 1979.

Thinkernetter

The forbes post spoke about the level of "Google Web search" activity. Interesting, but says nothing of adoption, 

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Yes, but the servers you see are psychologically safer than those you don't.

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I agree with the common cloud terminology. I helped write the NIST definition, so I'm a little bias. 

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Question:  I was puzzled by a recent Forbes  blog in which you claimed interest in cloud was declining based on Google search results.  Were you really serious about that?  Seems a precarious research method.

Thinkernetter

Security is always a concern. Regardless of whether you use the cloud or something else.

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@ruv: I'd also like to hear more about whether, given your experience with Enomaly, you'd agree with the common taxonomy of public vs. private vs. hybrid clouds.

Thinkernetter

Thanks Mary.

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Hi Reuven. We find a cloud roadblock because of confidentiality fears -- research data, student information (I'm at a university in Toronto). If we could encrypt data at a cloud providing facility, the argument would be stronger. Thoughts? 

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We also had the following question from a listener: When do you think cloud providers might permit third-party encryption of data at rest in their data centers?

 

Thinkernetter

Cloud isn't new per-say it's more over a new way to describe the latest iteration in software and application deployment. 

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Hi ruv (Reuven). Welcome to the chat! Thanks for the interview.

IQ Crew

Hi Reuven! Thanks for a great interview and for joining us today.

Thinkernetter

Question:  Reuven, is part of what you're saying that the Internet as such really implies cloud, so cloud isn't some special new development?

Thinkernetter

Happy answer any questions, 

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hi everyone

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Will do.

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Everyone, Reuven has graciously agreed to join us on the chat. He'll be here shortly. Get your questions ready!

Thinkernetter

Marden I know you had some good thoughts and questions for Reuven -- be sure to post again once he's joined us.

IQ Crew

Thanks Reuven and Mary!

IQ Crew

The audience is full of Canadians today!

 

Thinkernetter

Great chat.  The echo was faint: didn't affect audibility.

Thinkernetter

Another Canadian here!

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Zynga runs its new game offerings on Amazon's cloud. If the app takes off, it migrates back to their own cloud. They avoid the infrastructure costs of starting a game that might fizzle. Clever. Their home cloud is designed like the public cloud's configuration to simplify migration back inside. No comment on their share price. The idea is good.

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It seems to me all cloud will aspire to be elastic.

Thinkernetter

Hooray for you Kim. #snark

IQ Crew

Thanks for sharing, Marden.

IQ Crew

I know what "elastic cloud is".  #smug

Thinkernetter

In terms of translating analytics into a human useful state, see Jer Thorp of the NY Times R&D group. Brilliant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9wcvFkWpsM 

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Someone just said the magic "A" word!

Thinkernetter

gridl, you should definitely have the audio -- give it a refresh, or hit pause/play on the player above.

IQ Crew

I want to ask whether Reuven really sees "cloud" as indistinguishable from the Internet as such. 

Thinkernetter

still buffering ...

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You could also say that Wal-Mart is China's retail arm.

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Imagine 20 school boards running their own config for a learning management system. Imagine it's the same system. You could host all of them in one big place with one instance of the software, or you could have multiple instances in the same config space. But you wouldn't have groups not in school boards.

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Niche cloud for set environmental need
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Any questions for Reuven yet?

IQ Crew

It's like horizontal cloud, but different.

IQ Crew

I'm pretending I know what the "vertical cloud" is. 

Thinkernetter

That's OK, we're glad you could come!

IQ Crew

I hadn't heard about vertical cloud until I read his piece.

IQ Crew

Hi Nicole!  Tuned in a bit late

Thinkernetter

Correction -- hard to do internally with high speed.

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Faculty members who teach database and programming are happy about being able to book a teaching space that's up to date, patched, empty, and available on demand. Hard to do internally.

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Hi there, smkinoshita.

IQ Crew

So the security isn't less or more secure, but it's different and stuff that could be touched is off limits?

Thinkernetter

If I understand him rightly, he's skeptical about whether there is a cloud space as such.

Thinkernetter
Brilliantly put
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I was intrigued that Reuven founded his first company in 2004. That's a long time to be in the cloud space. 

IQ Crew

Intermittent echo in Toronto, and some packets dropping.

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Hello everyone
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Will do. Free til three'ish.

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I'm glad you could make it today Marden. I hope you can stick around to talk w/Reuven after the audio interview  on the chat board.

IQ Crew

Thanks Nicole. Nice to be here. 2:00 has been heavily "meetinged" recently.

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I have questions for Reuven.

Thinkernetter

Good question, Marden. And welcome. 

IQ Crew

Hi. I would dearly like an opinion on when cloud providers might permit 3rd party encryption of data at rest in their data centers.

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Do you have any questions you want to get in early for our guest?

IQ Crew

Great -- thanks for joining us today! 

IQ Crew

@Nicole: I'm good, thanks.

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Doing great, mdng. How about you?

IQ Crew

Hi Nicole, how are you today?

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So please get your questions ready. Nicole and Kim will be here shortly to help marshal them.

Thinkernetter

I won't be lingering here too long since I have to get the radio show audio underway soon. But I'll return with my guest Reuven Cohen as soon as the audio portion ends.

Thinkernetter

Hello Ms. Jander!

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Just us 3?  Where is everyone?

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Hello to all

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Greetings and salutations all!

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