I'd work in Social Media if I could find a company that isn't insisting everyone go out to get hammered with new candidates before offering them the job, or perform head tilts with "are you a weirdo?" looks when someone 'inexplicably' turns down an offer to go sit in a loud dark bar for a few hours after work.
I can, however, point to things like occupy and the arab spring as something positive the social web had a hand in, while it sems to me the assertion that Facebook and the like are making us more isolation is weakly correlated at best
@SecTech: Actually it does make the computer an idiot. The computer is incapable of making its own decisions. It's has no common sense. He used it so we understood we couldn't assume the computer would be intelligent enough to be able to cobble together what we wanted while writing code, and that stupid things anyone would naturally assume would be automatically done the computer wouldn't do. If the computer was a person, it'd have severe mental defficiencies. It would just be very quick at doing things.
@SecTech, Mary: I have to disagree. My wife and I can tell when something is bothering each other simply by the change in which we type. When upset, we stop caring as much about punctuation and become laconic.
I'm not sure, to be honest tec. As Andrew said, and I agree with him, that this may be something that is hard to quantify. However, positive claims are being made in reference to the social Web. If you are making a claim that you would like me to accept, then I'm going to need something more than assertion.
I am going to open a Bologna sandwich shop on the social web. Now, no one will actually get a sandwich but you can stream a video of someone who looks somewhat like you enjoying the sandwich, you just purchased, to any device that can play video.
Hows that for a killer app? Solves a problem as well as makes people feel less hungry.
@SecTech: Yeah, it was taught to me frequently that the computer's just a very fast idiot. Until the day comes where software stop asking me stupid questions and malware stops working because the computer knows its trying to issue malign instructions, computers are just very quick idiots who do exactly what we tell them.
@ChrisTOP: What kind of proof or compelling argument would you need? What kind of stats would it take to illustrate the concerns with social web? (even though it NOT the web at fault but the people using it)
I agree, Sec, the problem I have with the other side is I haven't exactly heard much in the way of compelling argument to convince me that social web is the detriment they say it is. At this point, the arguments seem more like assertions to me
@ ChrisTOP: Having never been a 'fan' of the social web and having only a limited rarely used presence, I can see both sides. The problem isn't Social Web, itself. That's just a tool. The problem is the people who tend to loose touch with reality when on the internet
@Nicole: It's not so much a maginification now, but you know the old saying that a computer is just a very fast idiot? Well, just as a computer allows us to do stupid things in a fraction of the time, social allows us to quickly share the stupid things we've done so quickly with the rest of the world.
it seems that way, tech. I wouldn't say people like Andrew's concerns are completely unfounded, but it does seem to me that we may be pushing the panic button just a bit early on the social web. I should say, though, that I have not read his book, and so this is just me reacting to what was said today.
Perhaps, Nicole. But i fear that we migh be scapegoating the social web a bit. We can debate the merits of movements thats sprung up, in part, as a result of the social web, but the fact that we can now bring people together on such a scale in the first place is, in my view, a very positive thing
@Nicole: Hand is sore. Numbness/tingling in two finger and thumb, nerve damage, fluid retention, swelling, but better than it was when my entire hand went numb. bad thing is it's my right hand, which is dominant. but since I'm ambidextrous, it's not that big of deal except for tasks requiring two hands
I find that the social web isnt' causing problems as much as revealing things that have always been there. All the problems aren't so much an issue of the social web as much as they're human issues. It's how we behave in the dark, except now we're voluntearily exposing it to the light and are shocked at what we see.
Just to address something brought up during the talk. I'm not sure I would agree that we could characterise the failure of the occupy movement as a failing of the social web. The social web did its Job: it brought the people together. After that, it is up to the people to have a coherent, organized message, which I think was the failing of the occupy movement
@SecTech: To make this clear, I said "Hi, this is So-and-So, who is completely fictional". Then I more or less had a conversation with the character and 'we' both interacted with the rest of the room. One guy refused to believe I existed and that the character was a hot chick, even after I explicitly spelled out what was going on.
@SecTech: Back in the days when I'd use chat rooms, I discovered that I could actually introduce a character as an imaginary friend and not only would people chat with it but some thought I was the fictional one.
Andrew, this is a bit off the topic of social networking, but what do you think of folk who view technology as something humans should incorporate into their physical bodies and that would extend life and lead to new ways of "living."
Andrew I thought the Tweet you wrote out in Digital Vertigo "I Tweet Therefore I Am" (in its first version) was really interesting because it seems to me that people feel if they don't document their lives on the social Web, it's like they don't exist, or it's like their life events didn't happen.
Question: Do you think you've given enough consideration to the idea that our social media selves are often – to a large extent – personas or performances? Is it possible that social narcissism means adopting a series of masks, so that we're not in fact fully on display at all?
I think my question would be: I agree with Andrew that something like this would be hard to quantify and thus may not be borne out through research. That being said, how do we determine that the social web is indeed this detremental force?
Hi Andrew. What's your response to people who say that every development in communications – from books to telephones to television – has produced a chorus of Jeremiah's predicting doom and isolation, and the death of intelligence? Is it worse/different his time around?
SecTech: Apart from the privacy and security issues, I think it's stealing too much of our time and energy. People are thinking about who to be, who to portray themselves as online, rather than just living.
@smkinoshita? We act according to the situation. A coffee shop conversation can't be replicated on Twitter. Even on blogs with well threaded comments, state of the art only very barely replicates the convesational flow.
The whole Amazon.reader debate is a double-stupid. It's stupid to think that there's any e-book buyer who doesn't know Amazon's URL, and it was stupider to let ICANN launch the whole free-form TLD initiative to start with.
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