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Correction: it was Ben Gimpert who said at the Strata 2012 Conference that what makes "big data" big is not its scale or (un)structure, but rather its high dimensionality. But I'm sure Mark Madsen would concur. :-)

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@Nicole -- I'm saying that some people, no matter how much advice you give, no matter how many warnings you put up, are going to be careless and foolish.  Right now we're sort of in the early stages of the affordable automobile as far as regulation and best practices go, so it's not surprising.

Thinkernetter

ok thanks

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smkinoshita, So you mean that users aren't going to worry about their privacy?

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Dkap, it'll be here on this page -- so just bookmark this link and you'll be able to access it.

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I'm sort of thinking back to what Daniel said and I think privacy is sort of a road-safety issue.  I mean, you can repeat yourself until you're blue in the face but some kids are still gonna play in traffic.

Thinkernetter

how do i access this archive ? would be great to listen to this audio again tonight

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The audio is here, yes. Archived forever! You can listen to it now.

IQ Crew

oh ...but the audio is still here ?

 

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Dkap, looks like Daniel had to run.

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my question ?

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Thanks for joining us everybody! Great questions and comments!

IQ Crew

Thanks Daniel.

Thinkernetter

Daniel, many thanks for your time today. It was a pleasure and we learned a lot.

Thinkernetter

Thank you all -- if you'd like to learn more, find me on LinkedIn! http://www.linkedin.com/in/dtunkelang

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Thank you Daniel, very insightful talk

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Thanks Daniel and IE team. Loved the show. 

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how can a business professional levrage his or her skills to enter this area

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Daniel - thank you for a great presentation and kudos to LinkedIn for continuing to evolve and respect their members.

IQ Crew

Thanks Daniel! Great interview and great answers all around.

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Any further questions for Daniel?

Thinkernetter

I need to check out faceted search too: new one on me.

Thinkernetter

Nicole, you probably have been using faceted search already -- it's on LinkedIn as well as the majority of online retail sites. If you're really curious, check out this book: http://www.amazon.com/Synthesis-Lectures-Information-Concepts-Retrieval/dp/1598299999

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WaqasAltaf, we have a Fraud and Abuse team. I cannot comment beyond that.

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What would faceted search results look like?

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hi nicole

 

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By the way, thanks to everyone for joining me today and asking great questions -- I have a few more minutes here before I have to run!

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@ Daniel

Are there people at LinkedIn dedicated to ensure that confidential data isn't shared and were there any instances where you people had to step in and edit a users' data or profile ?

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Nicole, personalized search is an interesting topic. At LinkedIn, all search is personalized because your network is a key aspect of what makes a search result relevant. For the general web, I'm not always convinced the personalization is essential. An alternate approach is to give the user more control of the search experience, e.g., through faceted search. But it's great that researchers and practioners continue to explore lots of ways to improve the search experience.

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Smkinoshita, privacy is a shared responsibility. For example, you as a user shouldn't publish something that you weren't supposed to (e.g., covered under an NDA, something your best friend told you in confidence). It is the responsibility of social network services and others to make it transparent and straightforward how you are sharing.

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Daniel, any opinion on Google's focus to "personalize" search? I feel better work could be done to improve search and the personalization focus isn't cutting it... but I'm curious about your take.

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Thanks @Daniel. Certainly, the consumer search space seems like a David/Goliath situation. I can't imagine really earning any solid market share as a newbie.

Thinkernetter

Mary, I helped build one of those alternative enterprise search engines, so I certainly hope people keep pushing the envelope in this space. Unfortunately, it's an uphill battle -- I'll confess it's more fun to work on consumer internet software than on enterprise software. So my respect goes out to those who persevere on the latter.

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Will do, thanks Daniel.

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Thanks for the information Daniel

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@Daniel -- as far as I'm concerned, if you post anything online it's public.  I know you honour your LinkedIn privacy policies, but how much do you feel that privacy should be the responsibility of the user as opposed to the network?

Thinkernetter

Nicole, I have played a bit with Wolfram Alpha -- I blogged about it when I was a beta user. It's an interesting idea, but I'm waiting to see how it evolves. You can search for my blog posts about it at http://thenoisychannel.com/

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@Daniel: Do you foresee the rise of alternative search engines in enterprises? In the consumer space? Or will Google continue to reign?

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WaqasAltaf, we're not part of any secret-sharing conspiracy! Seriously, we make it clear in our privacy policy that you as a user control if / how your information is shared.

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we won an award at last year's O'Reilly OSCON conference: Good to hear.

Thinkernetter

Daniel, have you played around with WolframAlpha much? Any opinions on it?

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Joanne, I'd urge that person to create a rich and complete profile that represents their current position, past career history, education, etc. Photos help too -- you can find more about this on our blog / help pages. Plus, more complete profiles are likely to push your LinkedIn page to the top of web search results, and that's often the first impression you'd like to make on a potential employer.

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Daniel

How true are allegations that social networks share data with corporations in a secret sharing arrangement which is usually not approved by the user ? Is LinkedIn into such arrangements ?

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Kim, I agree that Hadoop's being open source has been key to its success. At LinkedIn we're big belivers in open source -- in fact, we won an award at last year's O'Reilly OSCON conference for being the biggest contributors to open source for big data.

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Welcome to live chat, Daniel! And thanks to all here for joining us as well.

Thinkernetter

Lin, that's covered explicitly in our privacy policy: http://www.linkedin.com/static?key=privacy_policy

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Hi Daniel - what would you tell someone who is starting out in their career and is trying to establish themselves on LinkedIn for professional purposes?  What would you caution them about, from the data perspective?  What would you encourage them about on this topic?  How will data usage and analysis change in the next 10 or 20 years that they're active in their career?

Thinkernetter

Great job! Greatly appreciated.

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Daniel, I wonder how much Hadoop's superiority is a result of it continuing to be an open source project?

Thinkernetter

Daniel, how long does LinkedIn retain their members data?

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@All: Daniel is here so please post your questions!

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great talk Daniel

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Welcome Daniel! Great interview!

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Just joining now -- please give me a moment to catch up with the stream. :-)

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So going back to @Nicole's original question -- yes, I am very careful what I tweet.  I try to make sure most of the things I tweet  -- even  "wow I'm stuffed" has a purpose.

Thinkernetter

@jwallace: Great point.  The spirit of play helps people "play" better, innovate more and be creative vs. the old work model -- nose to the grindstone.

Thinkernetter

needs a wikipedia entry btw.

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well I've taken SNAD to new heights.

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@Kim:  Ahh, but if you were being really nosey you'd find it. ;)

Thinkernetter

there was a great article on by CNBC (although I've yet to read it, sure it's great tho) re: companies losing out by not allowing the oversharers to play at work.

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If someone asked me "Why did you tweet that?" I would answer "Because in context, I had previous tweeted that I was trying a new place out, and I wanted people to know the experience was a good one so the restaurant would get additional business and I would get the chance to eat there again".

Thinkernetter

Kim you'll have to go back and find out, of course.

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closing the digital divide.

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@smk Frustratingly, I missed the previous tweet which would have told me where you were!

Thinkernetter

On the other hand, if an oversharer is in a position to hire people, they'd probably opt for others who overshare, or at least not ding them for it.  I think it depends on the culture of the company as to what's acceptable sharing.  They may see oversharing candidates as being more open and attuned to social media, which is a good thing.

Thinkernetter

in other news(slightly offtopic), I've figured out a way to distribute "netmachines" for free. #thatisall

IQ Crew

@Kim -- Heh, actually in that case I tweeted it as a follow up because I was eating at a new place.  I felt it was valid information -- that the food is good but also very filling.

Thinkernetter

oversharing.. are we over that HR issue yet? lol

IQ Crew

@Nicole -- yes.  I don't post a lot of things and when I do I try to keep it positive.

Thinkernetter

@smk wouldn't, for example, tweet that he's stuffed from his last meal.  :D

Thinkernetter

Agreed. Oversharing sometimes becomes such a turn off and it may even lead a prospective employer or business associate to stop reading your profile further.

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unless you read the 'social whitepaper'

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@jchua: I really agree.  Managing your online persona is important, though many people just don't care anymore.

Thinkernetter

you should be careful.

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@smkinoshita, Are you extra careful, then, about what you Tweet and post on Facebook?

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@smkinoshita: Agreed.  They just don't care what they post or who sees it.  The oversharing generation is so open, perhaps to their own detriment.

Thinkernetter

@Nicole:  I do, because I want people to be able to see what I do and how I interact if they are curious.  If someone wanted to steal me away from my current company, I'd much rather it be into a culture that will fit.

Thinkernetter

I think if you really want to use your LinkedIn for business then you need to make sure what you post is what you want people to see.

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@Joanne Goldman:  For some people it's done on purpose though.

Thinkernetter

I agree, Joanne. I never understood the appeal or the point of linking LinkedIn accounts with other social profiles.

IQ Crew

Good point, Joanne.

Thinkernetter

Hats off to Daniel. Not many of us would leave a place like Google due to reasons such as an opportunity to test our skills better

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@Nicole: Whether it's Twitter feeds, Facebook or any other site, professionals need to watch what they post everywhere/anywhere.  Linking other accounts to LinkedIn is like leaving the front door open for others to openly snoop.

Thinkernetter

Hadoop.  The elephant is in the room.

Thinkernetter

I, of course, wanted a more controversial answer to the Google question. :)

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Aw jwallace. That's too bad! But we're glad you're here on the board!

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Joanne that's true for the most part, but some people have synced up their Twitter feeds to their LinkedIn profiles, so there may not be that same consciousness anymore.

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@nicole my speakers blew out so I'm going to have to visit the radio part in the archives. I'll be left alont to taunt the folks who left here ;D

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Agree with Waqas.  Daniel puts it well: we're talking about a professional profile here.

Thinkernetter

Agree compeletely, Kim.  @jwallace -- the difference is that not everyone on Facebook wants their data seen, while most people on LinkedIn does.

Thinkernetter

The context of LinkedIn is for the business environment.  Therefore, users are more aware of posting professional content.  Facebook is for personal use.  Therefore, users feel free to share personal posts, which can be more damaging.  Use of data therefore is more at risk for Facebook than LinkedIn.

Thinkernetter

Anyone have questions for Daniel?

IQ Crew

"No leakage of data = maintaining trust.  Once that trust is broken, it isn't easy regaining it."; live a little

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Brands, yes jw.  But huge numbers of Facebook users just want to chat or share holiday pix with friends.

Thinkernetter

@Kim "Big difference between LinkedIn and Facebook: people WANT their LinkedIn data to be seen." isn't that the same for most brands on facebook tho?

IQ Crew

That's the problem with Facebook, Joanne.

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@ Kim

So true. Plus on linkedin we share a lot of data seriously with a targetted intent. On facebook there isnt any incentive as such so much of the data shared isnt really thought out or the true one

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No leakage of data = maintaining trust.  Once that trust is broken, it isn't easy regaining it.

Thinkernetter

I agree with you @Kim, I think people use LinkedIn for a more professional purpose than Facebook

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Big difference between LinkedIn and Facebook: people WANT their LinkedIn data to be seen. 

Thinkernetter

@Nicole: I think it depends on the brand.  LinkedIn has consistently been concerned with privacy.  Facebook, on the other hand, isn't perceived as so trustworthy.

Thinkernetter

WaqasAltaf you're the ideal user. :)

IQ Crew

Here comes the privacy policy...

Thinkernetter

@Nicole I think it depends on what data they are analyzing and the purpose of the analysis

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"Ask the right questions" -- that's key... we hear that all the time when we're discussing analytics.

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@ Nicole 

Not really. The service of a social network is a 'free good' with a lot of benefit to me esp. Linkedin and I dont mind the network analyzing my data for its own benefit. Also if I am sharing an information on a 'social network', I never meant to hide it otherwise I wouldnt have shared it initially at a social place

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Joanne: Gotcha, and I think there was concern amongst users at one point that LinkedIn, like Facebook, was using their images to sell ads.

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@Nicole I worry about the long-term use of data analyzation.  While it may actually benefit me for LinkedIn to use my data, I wouldn't want it to be available to the users themselves on LinkedIn.

Thinkernetter

I agree. I think that's a helpful way to define it.

IQ Crew

I assume most LinkedIn users post data they want people to see, not just friends. 

Thinkernetter

"Too large to sit on single server" - good working definition of big data.

Thinkernetter

Listeners on the board: Do you worry about having your data analyzed by LinkedIn and other social networks you use?

IQ Crew

Hello Nicole!

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Here we are!

Thinkernetter

Welcome, himanisilky.

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Listeners, when you join us, say hi!

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i am in..

 

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And we're liiiiiveeee.

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Hi Waqas

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Hi Nicole

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If you'd like to get some questions in early for Daniel please feel free.

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Hey WaqasAltaf. Great to see you here.

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Hi Nicole and Hi jchua

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Should be an interesting talk

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The show goes live here at 2 PM ET. Looking forward!

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