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Thanks guys. We'll pick it up again later -- maybe around 4 PM ET.

IQ Crew

Kim has fled. Let's talk more later during an editor's chat!

IQ Crew

@Kim do you see the pirate party having success in any other upcoming elections?

Thinkernetter

The fact that the EFF seems to be off the radar for most citizens, perhaps the Pirate Party can shake up people's awareness of the issues.

Thinkernetter

Okay, shipmates, looks like it's a wrap on Pirate activism.  Thanks for joining us.

Thinkernetter

Smells like meat in here.

IQ Crew

Argh what be it lassy?

Thinkernetter

I think Europe is about to be sold to China in any case.

Thinkernetter

Yes, I would hate to see a party in power which couldn't run a country efficiently.

Thinkernetter

At this point from what I understand European youth lack any kind of overarching agenda or even common ground. This issue of copyright is very relevant, partiuclary within the pained EU framework

Thinkernetter

I agree, Awilliams. So long as these fringe parties don't really stand a chance of running countries (which I don't think they do) I think they could help to push alternative issues to the forefront.

IQ Crew

I wish I could foresee something shaking up the status quo here.  The news that the government might shut down again is enough to make you scream.

Thinkernetter

AW: thanks for the return to sanity.  Yes, it may be a more important story in European politics, especially if the movement can siphon disillusioned young people from the increasingly mainstream Greens.

Thinkernetter

Also I think points to a general disasstification with the status quo which has been limping on for 20 years

Thinkernetter

Ah, but it turns out to be just BBQ beans with Shake Shack burgers and dogs.  This is not BBQ.  Nor is it anything to do with security.

Thinkernetter

Anyway, I think that the pirate party success is actually very exciting. Shows what issues are important to the youth of Europe which is not a voice we often hear from

Thinkernetter

True but there are no shakes here at our faux BBQ. Just meats.

IQ Crew

@Nicole I appreciate that, I'm mostly veg but you can still have shakes

Thinkernetter

Kim's wrong. It really did come from Shake Shack.

IQ Crew

No patents, just pirates.

IQ Crew

Mary, it's a very popular New York burger chain.  I doubt the BBQ came from Shake Shack though.

Thinkernetter

Do they have any patents?

Thinkernetter

You don't like Shake Shack? I went there once before it became big and it was good

Thinkernetter

What is Shake Shack?

Thinkernetter

I'm very jealous!

Thinkernetter

Glad you're excited, Awilliams.

IQ Crew

Ooo shake shack!

Thinkernetter

Goes nicely with end of summer pouring rain.

Thinkernetter

a.k.a., food from Shake Shack on sternos.

IQ Crew

@Nicole: What's happening there on the scene at HQ?

Thinkernetter

There are clearly more opportunities for small, focused parties under European electoral systems.  Let's not get into electoral reform, but it's a different system.

Thinkernetter

Speaking of parties... things are getting a little wild here at 35th street.

IQ Crew

It just seems to me that something like a Pirate Party has a better shot at getting media attention than the EFF does. So even if the party's sole accomplishment is bringing these issues to the surface, I think that's not such a bad thing.

IQ Crew

I was surprised to find that there are 22 Pirate Parties officially registered around the world.  Plenty busy with activism:  http://www.pp-international.net/

Thinkernetter

I think another really big differnce is that the US is HUGE

Thinkernetter

@Nicole, no. I think EFF is well established. Pirate Party may be a funkier and more populist group. Perhaps they should join together.

Thinkernetter

A really well organized and targeted lobby doesn't need a huge war chest.

Thinkernetter

@Kim Lol I guess that depends on your budget!

Thinkernetter

Following AW's comment, I should have thought lobbying was more effective than seeking office in the States.

Thinkernetter

Maybe that's true for the States, but there seems to be a moderate groundswell in Europe.  Getting 15 candidates elected to a State Parliament at this early stage in their development indicates swifter growth than the Green Party.  But it may be a niche thing.

Thinkernetter

You see them as one and the same, MJ?

IQ Crew

well the big difference to me is legistative vs lobbying

Thinkernetter

So isn't Pirate Party a distraction?

Thinkernetter

I'm not sure, @Kim. EFF is certainly more official, more organized, more serious.

Thinkernetter

Do you see any substantive differences Mary?

Thinkernetter

My question is, do we need a Pirate Party if we have the EFF?

Thinkernetter

@Kim I know, there are companies who sue for patents they are not even representing. Patent trolls grrrr

Thinkernetter

I agree that copyright law is insane and needs a refresh. So perhaps if nothing else the emergence of the Pirate Party could at least help put new ideas in motion.

IQ Crew

While the issue of copyright infringement in the music world sort of annoys me, given the greed and would-be reign of terror by record companies, in literature I'm not so sure. A lot of authors aren't getting paid what they should because books are being  replaced with CDs or digital versions and royalties are reduced significantly.

Thinkernetter

@AW, there are already some companies which have lawyers constantly monitoring the Internet to spot just reproductions of trademarks - let alone content.  It's a ridiculous situation.

Thinkernetter

When the existing law is unworkable, it's time to form a committee to at least think about it.

Thinkernetter

@Nicole: Yes, definitely. I think copyright law needs to be totally revamped. It's ruining whole businesses. Whole industries are shifting, and copyright isn't keeping up.

Thinkernetter

Well do you guys agree that copyright law needs a refresh?

IQ Crew

@Kim: Writers seem outraged these days about violations of copyright by ereader distributors like Amazon.

Thinkernetter

Is there friction between the Pirate Party's branding appeal to the young and rebellious and this platform.  Is the platform radical enough?

Thinkernetter

It's pretty clear that we're in some really iffy territory. I think once we see 3D printers really come into their own it's going to get even more so. Just how different must your specs be to be able to print something? Can you patent a fork?

Thinkernetter

Cory Doctorow probably sides with the Pirate Party on the copyright issue.

IQ Crew

Copyright is a thorny issue too.  As a writer, I guard my rights jealously, but strict enforcement of existing copyright law is just downright impossible: which suggests it needs another look.

Thinkernetter

So the lines are wavy between protecting one's claim and being ridiculous, I think.

Thinkernetter

I think I should patent the making of hot chocolate using almond milk.

Thinkernetter

I would like to patent brushing one's teeth, for instance.

Thinkernetter

@Kim: Yes, but the ring-fencing sometimes extends to absurd lengths. Whole processes.

Thinkernetter

And patent trolls have set up full-time businesses.

Thinkernetter

On patents, there's an inherent problem.  They need to be very precisely and narrowly drafted, so if you don't ring fence your valuable patent with a series of variations (which are then shelved), a competitor can patent a very similar invention.

Thinkernetter

On my next birthday I am going to wish for a party-less government. I'll let you know how it works out.

IQ Crew

We have legitimate patenting going on regularly. But then there are questions about whether patents shold extend to some kinds of processes rather than material innovations.

Thinkernetter

Thanks for the intro, Kimbo.

IQ Crew

My pleasure.  I think it's no bad thing to be opposed to political parties as such, but I have no idea how to get rid of them.  The Pirate Party needs to rebrand itself at some point to be taken seriously.

Thinkernetter

Patents... there are so many aspects to the issue.

Thinkernetter

Kim thanks for the audio!

Thinkernetter

I am in agreement with a no-party system. Especially as we're about to see another threat of government shutdown thanks to fighting between our two national parties.

Thinkernetter

No, that's why these niche parties don't make sense.

IQ Crew

Aw I was hoping Kim would give us a closing "Argh!"

IQ Crew

I mean, can you see the Pirate Party voting on federal funding for disaster relief?

Thinkernetter

And welcome, Awilliams.

IQ Crew

Hi Awilliams. And yes, I agree. I don't see the Pirate Party as a really solid political platform in the US right now.

Thinkernetter

I'd love to see a no-party system.

IQ Crew

The legitimacy of patents has become a hot-button issue all of a sudden.

IQ Crew

A US Pirate party wouldn't work the same way. The way the congress works favors a 2-3 party system max. I think at one point the highest we had was 5 ligitamate parties. That was about a 100 years ago with the great depression.

Thinkernetter

The stance sounds tempting. I have been asking questions about the legitimacy of a lot of the patent litigation going on.

Thinkernetter

Mary what do you think about the Pirate Party's stance on patents?

IQ Crew

I think we need some other party, not a pirate party though. Something legit.

IQ Crew

No I don't think we do.

IQ Crew

Question: Do we need a US Pirate Party?

Thinkernetter

A US Pirate Party. O dear.

Thinkernetter

Great pirate talk, Kim! You win the Pirate Prize.

Thinkernetter

Hey Nicole! I am still puzzling a bit over the Pirate Party's evolution into a legit political party.

Thinkernetter

Haha. Kim "Positivity" Davis is on the line.

IQ Crew

Pirate chat pirate chat pirate chat

IQ Crew

It may be "Talk Like a Pirate" day!

Thinkernetter
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