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Jillian C. York, Director, Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)

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Thank you Jillian. And thanks to all.

Thinkernetter

Thanks Jillian! Nicole, Mary, Kim IE!!

IQ Crew

Thanks Jillian.

Thinkernetter

Thanks for the interview and for spending time. Great to have you here today. And thanks everybody for the questions and for tuning in. See you next time.

IQ Crew

Any final questions for Jillian, apart from the Pirate Party question?

IQ Crew

Thanks everyone!  I'm going to head out now, but feel free to email me (jillian at eff dot org)

Rank: Cave Painter

@Mary Yes - and that makes it all the more difficult to pick and choose which issues to take on!  We're only about 35 people, and our international team is just 3...soon to be 4.  But yes, I think that our name is growing, both in the US and internationally.

Rank: Cave Painter

@Jillian: It seems the role of EFF will only get more vital from here on. There are so  many issues, as we've seen just in this interview. Do you agree that EFF has a growing significance?

Thinkernetter

Jillian, does EFF take any position on The Pirate Parties launched in a number of countries?  Their Internet freedom and information transparency platform seems to be something you'd be sympathetic to.

Thinkernetter

I'm certainly traveling a lot more than I expected!  But it's been great, honestly - making connections all over the world is vital for what I do, because I want to ensure that we're not imposing our views, but rather, supporting existing views in the countries in which we work.

Rank: Cave Painter

Since you've been in the job for such a short time, is there anything that has surprised you about your position over the last few months? Anything you weren't expecting?

IQ Crew

Hopefully there will be more info and more debates to come on that subject though.

IQ Crew

Paul also asked a question about the challenges of funding...And I can say that we're really lucky to have an amazing membership base that makes up a large proportion of our funding.  We often hold members-only events too - I just did one in NYC last weekend!

Rank: Cave Painter

Gotcha. Yeah it sounds good in theory I guess I'm just having a hard time seeing it in practice!

IQ Crew

@Nicole It is tricky, and I think that, unfortunately, it may be an area in which government enforcement is needed...I'm still trying to figure this one out too :)

Rank: Cave Painter

Thanks for the answer and info on that, Jillian.

Thinkernetter

@Mary - our patent work is a bit outside my purview, but as I've been following it with interest, I can say that we have a fantastic member of our legal team, Julie Samuels, who's been doing excellent work in that area (https://www.eff.org/related/5460/blog).  I think EFF's voice in this space -- particularly in respect to "patent trolls" -- is incredibly valuable.

Rank: Cave Painter

Regarding the Bill of Privacy Rights, though, I guess I'm just a bit confused about how this could be enforced. Would it be something the sites themselves would have to include as part of their privacy policies?

IQ Crew

We saw some of the government/Web disconnect in the confrontation between Google's Schmidt and the Senate committee yesterday.

Thinkernetter

@Paul - That's a tough one for me to answer too, as I don't really work on intellectual property issues - that's largely our domestic legal team.  That said, I believe that our victories help enable innovation in the long term.

Rank: Cave Painter

It seems difficult for government to really understand the Web.

Thinkernetter

I agree, as I haven't been impressed with any proposals the government has made on regulating privacy on the Web.

IQ Crew

@Jillian: Can you speak to the EFF's actions on bogus software patents?

Thinkernetter

@Nicole - I'd prefer it be left up to users, with support from organizations.  There are rare times where I think the government should step in, and I'm not sure that's one of them.

Rank: Cave Painter

@Jillian: Thanks for the link

Researcher

@Jillian: Some of EFF’s legal victories affect artists who remix or extract from existing videos. What were the issues in these cases, and how will EFF’s victories benefit video artists and documentary film producers?

Researcher

@Paul - I'm not sure I'd say they "can't," but they're certainly not at this point.  Nearly every foreign government engaging in internet censorship is using Western-made products (some American, some Canadian, some European). It's simply reality at this point.

Rank: Cave Painter

@jillian, regarding the bill of privacy rights... do you think this is an area where the government should step in to enforce something or should it be left up to organizations like EFF?

IQ Crew

@Paul re: Net Neutrality, here's our stance better than I could describe it quickly :) https://www.eff.org/issues/net-neutrality

Rank: Cave Painter

@Jillian: so you infering here that the governmental bodies can't carry on their policies without the aid of corporate bodies?

Researcher

Nicole - re: a Bill of Privacy Rights - I love the idea.  Rebecca MacKinnon (@rmack on Twitter) is doing some great work in this space; her book, Consent of the Networked, comes out early next year and I can't wait to read it.

Rank: Cave Painter

@Jillian: does the EFF support the current net neutrality policy been pursued by the FCC?

Researcher

@jwallace - The leaks demonstrated that there was little oversight and accountability in the creation of such blacklists...the Australian one, for example, included the website of a dentist.  That's a problem - it chills speech and affects commerce.

Rank: Cave Painter

Great point about corporations in America.

IQ Crew

@Mary - Sorry, I don't have an answer to the FBI question; I work solely on international issues.

Rank: Cave Painter

@Jilliancyork oh... umm that changes my viewpoint of them.. I'm not sure I like that leak at all.. or understand who the leak was supporting.

IQ Crew

My response to that Paul on that question: I think that the threat comes from corporate spaces as well.  Chinese, Kuwaiti, Saudi, Tunisian censorship are all assisted by American companies like Cisco and SmartFilter, for example...  Not to mention the rules and regulations on sites like Facebook, which are often stricter than the First Amendment.

Rank: Cave Painter

@Jillian: Has there been any improvement to the FBI’s online intelligence operations as a result of the exposure of the EFF Intelligence Oversight Board earlier this year? If not, what will change the alarming trends EFF cited then?

 

Thinkernetter

@jillian: One question I didn't get to ask on air was about the EFF's suggestion that we create a Bill of Privacy Rights for social network users. Something like this would purportedly provide users The Right to Informed Decision-Making, The Right to Control, and The Right to Leave. Do you see merit in this idea? How would something like this be enforced?

IQ Crew

Paul Whyte had a great question awhile back: Do most of the important online issues today still involve clashes between individual rights and government powers, or have they shifted more toward industrial commerce, fraud and protection of consumers’ rights?

Rank: Cave Painter

@Kim Davis - As to the distinction between protests...Syria is an absolute dictatorship.  That's where I see a difference.

Rank: Cave Painter

No worries, Jillian, take your time. This chat board goes fast. :)

IQ Crew

@jwallace - What Wikileaks did was leak the blacklists of several countries--including Australia--that were filtering, or planning to filter child pornography, but which had accidentally included other sites in their proposed blacklists.

Rank: Cave Painter

Thank you Nicole and Jillian.

Thinkernetter

Having a hard time copying and pasting...forgive me!

Rank: Cave Painter

"Wikileaks weren't amused when they suffered a DDOS attack either, although they'd been quite happy when Anonymous was attacking PayPal in support of them." - did I hear correctly that wikileaks took part in exposing child pornography? if so, wikileaks can do no wrong from my view. and that is tenure!

IQ Crew

Hello Jillian, thanks for joining us here and for the great conversation!

IQ Crew

Jillian, how do you make a distinction between protests in the UK and, say, Syria, if they are regarded by both governments as illegal?  Can we really cherrypick here?

Thinkernetter

Hey everybody. Thanks for being here on the chat.

IQ Crew

Hello!  Jillian here - looking through all of your questions.

Rank: Cave Painter

Wikileaks weren't amused when they suffered a DDOS attack either, although they'd been quite happy when Anonymous was attacking PayPal in support of them.

Thinkernetter

Good point, meggstar911

Thinkernetter

What about the vast increase in CCTV usage in public places in e.g. U.K. and they want to start doing that in the U.S.

=|%> (Guy Fawkes masks for all?)

Rank: Cave Painter

Interesting that the UK went the Syrian route of using social media for surveillance after briefly considering the Egyptian approach of shutting them down.

Thinkernetter

I think it's very difficult to give blanket approval for US intervention in other nation's networks.  We all think of the middle east, but how would we have felt if it had been the CIA interfering in Nicaragua and El Salvador?

Thinkernetter

True, @Kim. One has to list the reasons for online identification and then evaluate them -- do we want them all? Some?

Thinkernetter

There are also entirely legitimate reasons for people not using their so-called legal names.

Thinkernetter

@York: What are the challenges of managing–and raising funds for–today’s EFF?

Researcher

There really is a stark stand-off right now between the anonymous web and the trusted-identity web.  Huge advantages and disadvantages with each.

Thinkernetter

@York: Do most of the important online issues today still involve clashes between individual rights and government powers, or have they shifted more toward industrial commerce, fraud and protection of consumers’ rights?

Researcher

Fighting FB... I like that.

Thinkernetter

@York: what do you make up of the new FCC net neutrality decision?

Researcher

in saying you don't have resources to fight every fight, what then constitutes the core fights the EFF is currently engaged or will engage in the future

Researcher

The audio is now live, BobDob.

Thinkernetter

looks like I just jumped the gun... audio is fine now.

Rank: Cave Painter

Hi all !  Will there be audio or just chat room banter today?

Rank: Cave Painter

I'm interested in EFF in particular, since its role seems to be likely to increase exponentially.

Thinkernetter

@York: Is the EFF doing enough to protect users?

Researcher

And hi to all others!

Thinkernetter

Hi MValencia-Devin as well.

Thinkernetter

I am manning the gate to the Youchat so that people  wearing Pijamas are not allowed

Researcher

Glad you could be here today.

IQ Crew

free expression on the Internet???

Researcher
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