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IQ Crew

Nicole, will there be a transcript of this chat available?

Rank: Cave Painter

I'm toughening up. It's getting better. :)

IQ Crew

nicole, I think you can't feel too bad about denying requests... I think ppl understand now that resources are limited and real human interaction (even if in the form of a denied request) is a valued service... 

IQ Crew

Thank You!

Rank: Cave Painter

Thank you everyone for participating. See you next time!

IQ Crew

thank you Andrew and IE!

IQ Crew

good stuff, thx everyone!

IQ Crew

Thank you for this informative broadchat cast.

IQ Crew

Thanks Andrew! Looking forward to our next live chat.

IQ Crew

Great session overall!

Thinkernetter

thanks everyone. enjoyed it!!

Thinkernetter

Too much pressure, endless requests, feeling bad about denying requests, etc.

IQ Crew

Thanks, Andrew... great session. Appreciate your time and responses

IQ Crew

right mhh. AI is the holy grail of 21st century

Thinkernetter

The BBC link is also to CBS.

Thinkernetter

Social media definitely makes me more anxious.

IQ Crew

Thank you so much for your tme today, looking forward to 'curling up with your books' !!!

Rank: Cave Painter

automated language translation is a primitive example of semantic intelligence... try google.com/translate... and try translating some phrase from English to French to English -- and see how AI can be useful but still fail to be perfect.  but then humans aren't perfect, either.

IQ Crew

Any final questions for Andrew?

IQ Crew

always looking for interesting stories/insights into how social media is making us loneliness, less equal and more anxious

Thinkernetter

please follow me on twitter, btw, at @ajkeen and always feel free to drop me an email at a.keen@me.com

Thinkernetter

Just one so far: CBS http://hackaday.com/2009/08/21/cbs-introduces-video-in-print-technology/

Thinkernetter

five more mins. other questions?

Thinkernetter

I appreciate you 'getting the message out there', but is seems so much more complex. It's been an uphill battle to challenge people to thnk critically - with the pace of printed media, how much more so with a dearth of information. I wonder if Western education is prepared to deal with the changes required

Rank: Cave Painter

video in magazine -

http://

 

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8211209.stm

Rank: Cave Painter

thanks mhhfive. Still don't really understand what that means. What will it enable us to do online which we can't do today?

Thinkernetter

semantic intelligence is a simplified (or narrow) version of general artificial intelligence -- that only focuses on linguistic recognition.

IQ Crew

Kim -- sounds interesting. What companies are doing this?

Thinkernetter

semantic intelligence still confuses me. Anyone want to define it?

Thinkernetter

There is video embedded in actual magazine or book pages that talks to you, can be recharged, so works as long as you have the page etc. intersting combination of "new" and old technology, any thoughts on that?

Thinkernetter

right, let's keep our libraries and put networked computers in them. best solution for everyone

Thinkernetter

Semantic intelligence and "smart bots" is still a long way off, unless they are used in incredibly focused, narrow topics. Even then, too expensive and complicated to deploy en masse.

Rank: Cave Painter

I've seen a couple of new products being developed that use internet content (blogs, chat rooms, etc.) as "focus groups" for determining the maket perceptions of products - they apply multiple AI atrategies and the results are astonishingly accurate

Rank: Cave Painter

argonne -- not cynical, just honest. Unfortunately, the Internet has been disappointing so far in terms of arranging useful info. But there is huge potential to improve that.

Thinkernetter

but, as long as I have access to a library AND the Internet - I remain somewhat more comfortable

Rank: Cave Painter

human curating doesn't really scale. But the artificial algorithm is limited. Between those two statements lies the holy grail

Thinkernetter

Andrew, perhaps I am too cynical!

 

Rank: Cave Painter

what didn't I talk about as exciting tech which I should have mentioned?

Thinkernetter

how does human curating scale?  don't algorithms have the "scaling" advantage?

IQ Crew

whoman -- don't agree. Personal bots aren't intelligent enough to know what we really want

Thinkernetter

argonne -- we'll know progress when we see it.

Thinkernetter

I think the curators will ultimately be personal 'bots who learn our tastes and preferences

Rank: Cave Painter

How will be know when progress is being made? it seems as though so much ... trust? is required

Rank: Cave Painter

i'm working on something with my friend, Keith Teare (who founded Real Names), to build a more manageable source of curated information. Anyone interested can email me at a.keen@me.com

Thinkernetter

right, Argonne. Those are issues that I addressed in Cult. Nothing much has changed since then. We need curators who can help filter all this info.

Thinkernetter

Skype is also interesting from an infrastructure perspective because their servers are largely "conscripts" and not under their direct control

Rank: Cave Painter

Andrew - manageable way to busy people? would you care to go further into deatail? (would appreciate it!) ;o)

IQ Crew

don't know avalanche, Terry. Do you have a link?

Thinkernetter

it would seem as we are increasing our access to noise. Anyone can write a book, today just about anyone can get one published - that doesn't mean that we don't have to sort through so much noise to find quality. If we are simply discussing methods of mass communication, bring on so much more - society will certainly find a use for it. When it comes to having dependable quality information, to draw on from the soon to be past, in which we will determine answers for the future ... how will the current 'history' be assured?

Rank: Cave Painter

I'm also very intrigued with Google's Wave. Will it be really revolutionary? Can you collapse e-mail, IM & social networking?

Thinkernetter

what about "avalanche presentation"? i know u don't like FriendFeed, but isn't there some real possibility wqith these social aggregation tools?

IQ Crew

and how does Google deal with Skype?

Thinkernetter

skype after all is a social network. Are they a competitor to Twitter and Facebook?

Thinkernetter

Skype though is fascinating. Would love to be at their first boardmeeting

Thinkernetter

Any tools that are helping you do that?

Rank: Cave Painter

braveheart -- i'm interested in how to present the avalanche of information on the web in a manageable way to busy people

Thinkernetter

Paul -- I think that makes sense. It shows how desperate they are for alternative biz models

Thinkernetter

Andrew, what one thing or tool on the net are you investing time in learning right now?

Rank: Cave Painter

Ther are also a huge number of web based telephony sevice providers like Ribbit popping up eberywhere

Rank: Cave Painter

Google just annouced that youtube will be doing movie rentals. What is ur take on that?

Researcher

right, Terry. YouTube is fascinatng case study in the struggle to translate traffic/eyeballs into cash

Thinkernetter

Have you tried to google voice a skype number? VOIP 2 layers deep. Not successful in my experience

IQ Crew

with new range of iPods with video/mics, Skype will emerge as rival to AT&T

Thinkernetter

not to mention the inability of geniuses like Google to make any money from it (via YouTube)

IQ Crew

i do like Skype. e-Bay screwed up with it. I see Skype as becoming a major player in real-time economy. They are increasingly viable alternative to telecoms

Thinkernetter

video remains hugley problematic til we get to grips with Net neutrality and the ability of ISPs to offer different classes of service. YouTube is often painful to use - -and that's one-way video

IQ Crew

in 2003-5 i was GM of a real-time video service called Santa Cruz Networks. It failed. Things haven't changed that much since then

Thinkernetter

I think video is here.  I have more video conversations with client via dimdim or Skype than phone.

Rank: Cave Painter

With 65% of Skype now owned by the new investment group with Mark Andreeson in the mix (with his involvement with social media) it could get interesting

Rank: Cave Painter

seesmic video doesn't work. good example of how video is much harder to implement in practice than in theory

Thinkernetter

braveheart - perhaps. But we've been hearing that video has been coming for years. Skype is good, but video still requires camera. Will never fully replace voice or text

Thinkernetter

Speaking of video, what do you think of tools like seesmic video? Does video microblogging, so-to-speak, have any real purpose or chance of catching on?

IQ Crew

I saw Google's Wave and saw that as a powerful blend of several "old" methods of communication well alloyed to provide a value greater than the sum of the parts.

Rank: Cave Painter

It's coming.  Give Skype and dimdim.com another six months.

Rank: Cave Painter

video is still very hard to do on the Internet. Real-time video will takes years to develop. Still really hard for example to have a four way live video call.

Thinkernetter

Video and voice.  We need to be able to comfortably communicate via both on the net.

Rank: Cave Painter

Nicole -- Facebook is trying to become like Twitter (ie: real-time conversation). Struggling, however. I think Facebook will wither away eventually. It's not the big player it thinks/hopes it is.

Thinkernetter

biggest challenge to text is voice not video

Thinkernetter

can you expand on that, are you saying that that email will share the fate of the 'written letter'?

 

Rank: Cave Painter

do you think the true shapers of the future of the Internet share those same opinions (Plato Hobbes, et al?) Should they be reading Marx and Machiavelli along with Sun Tzu on the Art of War?

IQ Crew

What about a shift to video as the medium over text - echos of McLuhan's Gutenberg Galaxy

Rank: Cave Painter

When email is social will there still be room for destination social networking sites -- like Facebook? Or are they dead, too?

IQ Crew

email is social. With Google's Wave, email will be drawn into real-time economy. E-mail as we once knew it will quickly die

Thinkernetter

michael -- my background is in political philosophy. so Plato, Hobbes, Machiavelli, Marx

Thinkernetter

O'Reilly wrote his Web 2.0 piece before Facebook and Twitter revolutionized the way we use the web

Thinkernetter

So is email social media? Apart from interactivity, what makes an application "social"?

IQ Crew

Andrew, besides Nietzsche, where else do you draw inspiration?

IQ Crew

@andrewkeen Agree on twitter front - particularly as they are deleting archives off the back-end. I'd been using twitter as one aspect of my historical online stream, and the early days no longer exist.

Rank: Cave Painter

Web 2.0 was a term invented by Tim O'Reilly to describe the revolution in the creation of information

Thinkernetter

2.0 is the platform enabling social media

IQ Crew

How wil I be able to utilize the web for syntopical researh, once we have largely abandoned paper media?

Rank: Cave Painter

i don't think Web 2.0 and social media are the same thing

Thinkernetter

and Twitter is the ultimate place to lose information rather than find it

Thinkernetter

Someone asked earlier about way Web 2.0 and social media get used interchangeably. Are they the same thing?

IQ Crew

Andrew, if you can just respond to the questions/comments as they're coming in that would be great.

IQ Crew

dan you right. It's an irony

Thinkernetter

agree, Kim. That's the challenge of real-time economy

Thinkernetter

@whoman great point - 15 years ago, and 2 employers ago, we talked about having all of the content you'd ever create or want to access in the palm of your hand. When storage is infinite, finding those needles in the haystack is a significant problem. Findability, not search.

Rank: Cave Painter

Andrew, what things are you investing time learning about on the internet right now?  What's valuable to you in terms of extending your conversation?

Rank: Cave Painter

If you cannot find data, it is essentially lost. Cataloging, searching become ever more important each day.

Thinkernetter

how do you want to do this?

 

Thinkernetter

Welcome, Andrew... thanks for extending the conversaiton in the medium of text chat

IQ Crew

Andrew, what things are you investing time learning about on the internet right now?  What's valuable to you in terms of extending your conversation?

Rank: Cave Painter

As storage becomes virtually free and near infinte retaining digital content won't be the problem searching for and finding it will be the harder problem

Rank: Cave Painter

that's probably what the celts thought - that everyone would always pass the stories on, and therefore social history was safe

Rank: Cave Painter

Thought it was great! Looking forward to having Andrew join us here.

IQ Crew

One of the better IE radio sessions so far.

Thinkernetter

everything will be reprinted in the technology of the age

IQ Crew

well, consider - once commited to paper - the author may die at his typewriter, but the record will live on ... how long can we depend on digital media

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Utter waste of time.

Rank: Cave Painter

Keep your questions and comments coming. Keen is going to join us here on the instant message board, so you can chat directly with him.

IQ Crew

Newspapers would have been well served to define themselves as news organizations, not newspapers.

Rank: Cave Painter

newspapers were only heros in retrospect - most were pretty bad

Rank: Cave Painter

love it - Nietzsche's work on a typewriter better than his handwritten articles. Proof that the technology is just a tool to improve an artist's work.

IQ Crew

ah, well certainly true - very sad what's happening to printed media - newspapers in particular

 

Rank: Cave Painter

If you rely on web based news from newspapers, and magazines why do you feel the internet will cannot provide the content that traditional newspapers provide?

Rank: Cave Painter

Wht about a shift to video as the medium over text - echos of McLuhan's Gutenberg Galaxy

Rank: Cave Painter

Andrew do you agree with people who say "if it can't be said in 140 characters, it's not worth saying"?

IQ Crew

How is Andrew using the internet to promote himself?

 

Rank: Cave Painter

internet destroyed bookstores? or will they have to continously re-invent? just wondering.

IQ Crew

Efficient brief communications can be "smarter" then longer ones.

Thinkernetter

as many people read online and e books is what I meant, rather than buying hardcopy same for newspapers and ezines...

IQ Crew

@Auntie NoNo:   Amazon is using the internet to destroy bookstores, then

Researcher

well who leveraged the Internet for book sales better than Amazon?

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Amazon didn't destroy bookstores, the internet did

IQ Crew

More questions! What do you want to know?

IQ Crew

technology & culture - I had a bit of a "culture shock" going from the metaverse to LA social...

IQ Crew

social media utopians unite!

IQ Crew

In what way is it idiotic? Curious to hear your opinion.

IQ Crew

geeze the crowd is harsh

IQ Crew

Not the first straw he's grasped for today. . .

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Yes but there is discussion for two years about what Web 3.0 will be etc. There will eventually be agreed upon definitions and that is useful in making conversations/debates more efficient, enhancing communication.

Thinkernetter

Keen's idea of Wikipedia is just idiotic. Grasping for straws there.

Rank: Cave Painter

OK, Sebastian. Are you using headphones?

IQ Crew

Nicole - its working now. (although the quality is very low)

Rank: Cave Painter

Advertisements on Wikipedia? Oooh, that's a hot topic. Jimmy Wales, are you listening?

IQ Crew

So true, it is a 'made up concept' for somewhat nebulous marketing purposes - but how long before 2.0 becomes dated, and then what? Why not simply consider that this is evolutionary - in other words - why quibble over 2.0 versus 1.26748?

 

Rank: Cave Painter

KimSolez - reminds some people of the old B2B and B2C market-speak days. But it does make sense to organize groups of related programs into a bucket identifier

IQ Crew

@Nicole re:twitter - web2.0 tool ..umm, because you can subscribe to the feed?

 

IQ Crew

Feel free to weigh in with more questions for Keen and we will feed them.

IQ Crew

But using the term Web 2.0 always confused me, auntie nono just explained it better

 

IQ Crew

Nicole - did that, still just keeps buffering. Hit or miss.iTunes would work best, so how come iTunes not functioning beyond that one episode?

Rank: Cave Painter

Web 2.0 is the platform which enables the interactive web.  Social media and web 2.0 are not the same thing.

IQ Crew

In the beginning all concepts are made up, thes society comes to accept specific meaning after a while.

Thinkernetter

I use TweetDeck, which is the only way Twitter is remotely usable, in terms of separating signal from noise.

Rank: Cave Painter

Web 2.0 is a made up concept. thank you for that observation, Nicole.

IQ Crew

SebastianVOX, refresh your page, and then hit pause/play on the player.

IQ Crew

braveheartaz -- thanks for noting that. Anyone else here use tools like TweetDeck? or Tweetie? or HootSuite?

IQ Crew

i publish my own stuff and sell it on my own. WEB 2.0  is where I practice my writing. I guess he just said what I do is similar to what he does, but he has real publishers.

IQ Crew

I don't really understand why Twitter isn't a Web 2.0 tool... except for the fact that Web 2.0 is a made-up concept.

IQ Crew

Self-promotion is normal human trait!

Thinkernetter

but who is andrew keen to define web 2.0??

Researcher

Geezus, can't hear a thing. It's still buffering.

Rank: Cave Painter

Brand distribution can be optimized by using blogs, if you do it properly...see overdrive interactive

IQ Crew

I like and use Friendfeed.

Rank: Cave Painter

He defines Web 2.0 differently from most, Twitter is mainstream 2.0 according to mainstream opinion.

Thinkernetter

Is Twitter a Web 2.0 technology or not? good question. Anyone want to chime in here?

IQ Crew

I think he said the same thing about FriendFeed.

IQ Crew

"Facebook acquired the FriendFeed corpse." Nice.

IQ Crew

I always had to pay my movie budgets from my day job paycheck.

IQ Crew

a friend of mine, an historian, is concerned that - in history, so much depends on finding letters and written records, is something that is handled so very differently in todays digital world ... how long will these records last, where will they be stored, how dependable is that storage?

Rank: Cave Painter

ok, now I understand what he means

IQ Crew

whoman.. Good question. We'll try to ask that either here or you can re-ask it during the post interview live chat right here.

IQ Crew

are u making yourself stupid? should rather be the question!!

Researcher

What does he think about Nichlas Carr's opinion regarding "Google Making Us Stupid"?

Rank: Cave Painter

Some reality shows are killing culture, and they are made my professionals.

IQ Crew

@ artfrankmiami -- that's important too

IQ Crew

and turn the volumn up on your computer

IQ Crew

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IQ Crew

And we're live folks - please welcome Andrew Keen

IQ Crew

We know her as Nicole Kidman

IQ Crew

Hello newcomers. We're about to get started, but feel free to weigh in now with any questions for Keen. You can also post questions/comments/reactions throughout the broadcast and we'll get Keen to respond to as many as possible.

IQ Crew

I came across a 1983 movie called BMX Riders or something like that this past weekend. The cute curley blonde in the was adorable, but hardly a stylish or classy actress

Like all amateurs, if they love what they are doing, interested in learning the craft and are placed amongst the right individuals, they can improve and succeed and be professional.

So this cute curley headed blonde ended up spending two years at the feet of Stanley Kubrick.

IQ Crew

Pleae comment on. Yes, no, why or why not. (All IMHO)

Rank: Cave Painter

Thanks, tempcr. What's the question, though?

IQ Crew

Q. for Andrew Keen - The internet has turned into a shopping mall - loads of goods, almost none of it of any value.

Rank: Cave Painter

Keen's a pretty controversial guy. I'm looking forward to seeing how this broadcast/chat unfolds.

IQ Crew

but Spielberg was an amateaur once. he shouldn't be too hard on them

IQ Crew

That's OK, you can always react to Keen throughout the interview and post questions then.

IQ Crew

Hey, no more cowbell sound! Success!

IQ Crew

as usual, i can't think of a thing.

 

IQ Crew

Quiet room. Maybe everyone's Twittering.

IQ Crew

Afternoon, everyone! Thanks for joining us

IQ Crew

What's up everybody? Any burning questions for Andrew Keen yet?

IQ Crew

Glad to see people are already showing up!

IQ Crew
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