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Kim Davis
Thinkernetter
Friday February 22, 2013 4:15:56 PM
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I'm thinking fake IP addresses.  There are probably a number of ways to do this, if you're motivated.

Kim Davis
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Friday February 22, 2013 3:03:47 PM
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Or hackers who would like you to think they're operating from...(etc)?

Mitch Wagner
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Friday February 22, 2013 3:03:30 PM
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hounhosp - Question: Do American hackers conduct similar attacks on other countries' companies or institutions? If so what would the motivation be?


According to one government spokesman, when we do it it's to protect ourselves against physical attack. When the Chinese do it, it's for commercial advantage, and that makes it wrong, said the spokesman. 

I see this as specious. Nations do what they can to gain advantage over other nations. That's been the way of the world for thousands of years -- the Internet doesn't change that. 

Mitch Wagner
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Friday February 22, 2013 3:00:36 PM
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The circumstantial evidence seems strong. As Mandiant put it: We either need to assume that the attackers are from the Chinese Army, or that they're another group of hackers which is operating from a location that happens to be located near a major Chinese Army cyberwarfare facility. 

Kim Davis
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Thursday February 21, 2013 4:26:07 PM
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Here we are:  China's military denies hacking allegations.

The report relies too heavily on the tracking of IP addresses, Geng said, referring to the digital identifiers which are stolen "almost everyday.""The report, in only relying on linking IP addresses to reach a conclusion the hacking attacks originated from China, lacks technical proof," the spokesman said, according to a transcript posted on the ministry's website.

 

 

 

Kim Davis
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Thursday February 21, 2013 4:23:59 PM
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Exactly, Deborah.  Tracing the source to somewhere allegedly in the vicinity of a Chinese army post is one thing.  (And I did link to the Mandiant report.)  What then?  Diplomatic pressure?  China will deny it.  We need to look closer to home for solutions to this growing problem.

DHagar
Thinkernetter
Thursday February 21, 2013 3:58:43 PM
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Interesting thoughts, Kim, which goes back to your premise in the article.  We probably face threats from "all of the above" and are not nearly prepared.  We should recognize our vulnerability and begin to build systems to minimize the espionage and hacking threats.

DHagar

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Rank: Web master
Thursday February 21, 2013 2:39:02 PM
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and my IDS records indicated they were attacking from a military base. This was back in 2006 or so. I don't beleive for a minute that some cracker was doing it through the base computer system. No - I'm not that naive to think the PLA is that dumb. If you want to know the details of how Mandiant did it - lookie here:

 

http://www.securityweek.com/cyber-unit-chinas-pla-behind-massive-cyber-espionage-operation-report

 

Kim Davis
Thinkernetter
Thursday February 21, 2013 11:42:31 AM

I'd be surprised if Anonymous-type pranksters could create this maze of smoke and mirrors -- if I might mix my metaphors -- but there are, I think, all kinds of reasons to be skeptical about straightforward attributions of hack attacks to nations.  Not to reject what Mandiant is saying, but to encourage thinking about it.  Are these adept hackers?  If so, why such a trail?

Kim Davis
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Thursday February 21, 2013 11:16:31 AM
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Some corporate hacking victims are starting to speak publicly.

NY Times

 

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