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thanks

Rank: Cave Painter

Thanks well done

Rank: Cave Painter

Great contributions, Jonathan.  Thanks for your questions everyone. Next time!

Thinkernetter

Thanks, Jon. Enjoyed it.

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Your description of mapAsheville brought this to mind. It often thinks in terms of technology and the utilization of it in an analytical way. When community, in the form of special interest groups or the general citizenry, becomes intimately involved in the outcome it opens up into more of a social program..

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Thanks everyone!  Keep in touch!

Rank: Cave Painter

Joanne, there's no ::like:: button or I'd click it! ;-)

Rank: Cave Painter

Fresh blood, fresh ideas.

Thinkernetter

.. and new ideas sometimes need to come from the outside, too.

Rank: Cave Painter

Joanne, great point--people who feel like prisoners don't innovate, do they?

Rank: Cave Painter

Kim: "We talked a little about cloud, but I didn't get around to asking whether migrating city services to cloud has been an important part of the turnaround in Asheville." I think cloud has been a fantastic enabling technology to allow internal staff to focus on the work that they are best suited for.  But, eight years ago, it wasn't really available.  It's fair to say that we've used the enabling tech that has been avialable at the time.  For example, eight years ago, there was no help desk!  Once we implemented one, it became apparent that manual web updates were taking an ENORMOUS amount of time -- so we automated that, too, with content management systems.

 
Rank: Cave Painter

Helps with innovation, too, I would think.

Thinkernetter

Bleubug, I don't understand this question, can you elaborate? "How often, in your experience, has an IT project made the jump to social program?"

Rank: Cave Painter

We talked a little about cloud, but I didn't get around to asking whether migrating city services to cloud has been an important part of the turnaround in Asheville.

Thinkernetter

Joanne: "Yes, I would think the public sector relies heavily on intrinsic motivators.  How did an emphasis on these motivators impact employee retention from the time you joined until now?" It's an interesting question.  To tell you the truth, I think that the atmosphere of candor has probably made turnover HIGHER than it used to be.  That's not to say that we cycle out 25% a year, but I think it's higher than the days when nobody ever left.  And I think that's healthy.  The key is that when someone is employed, they're fully engaged.  (Not outsourcing their work to China and looking at cats all day. ;-))

 
Rank: Cave Painter

Bleubug: "Getting early end-user/customer involvement is important but it also builds up expectations that are sometimes hard to manage. The scope always seems a limitless vista at the beginning of many projects and by the end is an opaque pea soup fog. Underselling to end-users might be a key in a smooth trip." Totally agree -- we underpromise and overdeliver, always. :) 

 
Rank: Cave Painter

How often, in your experience, has an IT project made the jump to social program?

Rank: Cave Painter

Yes, I would think the public sector relies heavily on intrinsic motivators.  How did an emphasis on these motivators impact employee retention from the time you joined until now?

Thinkernetter

Bleubug: "How do you maintain a high level of professional conduct, attitude, and service in your organization? Certainly it's a cliché that government offices (of any level) fail in that but we've all experienced it to some degree in life." I am a big fan of Kouses-Posner's Leadership Challenge.  There's a concept called "modeling the way" that I find to be exceptionally important in leading a team.  People tend to do what the leader does.  And when they don't, an atmosphere of candor and kindness can help redirect them.

 

 
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Alison: "Do people typically stay with you for a long time because of the atmosphere and other benefits, or do they view working at Asheville IT as a stepping stone in their career, given the financial limitations typical of government in general." It's a tossup, it really depends upon where someone is in their personal life and career.  I've said goodbye to wonderful high performing pros because I simply couldn't do anything about compensation and that was really important to them, similarly for reasons of total flexibility, we have some flexibility, but it's hard to be "location independent" when you work for local gov.

Rank: Cave Painter

Kim: the City has won some awesome technology and innovation awards, including GMIS, NATOA, International Economic Devleopment Council, and quite a few more.  City staff is awesome and when we tell their story it's easy to see why they get awarded. :)

Rank: Cave Painter

How do you maintain a high level of professional conduct, attitude, and service in your organization? Certainly it's a cliché that government offices (of any level) fail in that but we've all experienced it to some degree in life.

Rank: Cave Painter

Do people typically stay with you for a long time because of the atmosphere and other benefits, or do they view working at Asheville IT as a stepping stone in their career, given the financial limitations typical of government in general. 

Thinkernetter

Joanne: "What incentives, rewards and recognition were used to help you level up your team?"  There's wonderful work in the organizational behavior world about how INTRINSIC motivation (internal) is far more powerful than EXTRINSIC (money, rewards) motivation.  Dan Pink's book, Drive, is fantastic on this; he talks about autonomy, mastery, and doing meaningful work.  From that level, we talk a lot about professional development and being as good as we can with the resources and time that we have available.  We are ALWAYS talking mission focus -- how we're making the community better, safer, etc.  We will NEVER be able to compete with private sector on bonus or salary, even though we do have a quality of service award for exceptional performance, it's token compared to what you'd get in private sector.  (And I already mentioned the recogition picnic, but one innovation that we did last time was to recognize folks in BUSINESS UNITS who were exceptional.)

 

 
Rank: Cave Painter

I don't think I mentioned awards this time.  Care to blow your own trumpet, Jonathan?

Thinkernetter

How big is your IT team? 

Thinkernetter

That makes a lot of sense. And it also makes people feel involved, so it's a nice circle!

Thinkernetter

Alison:  "I wonder where the end-customers' ideas come from: Specific IT-driven surveys or public meetings, or other public forums/surveys driven by other government bodies?" We have many ways for customers to give us feedback.  We run a quarterly survey with open ended feedback; we run focus groups; and we're active in the community and participate in "non IT" things sometimes to get some cross pollination.

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Alison: "Have you noticed a correlation in your ability to recruit and retain high-quality employees with the city of Asheville's improvement in customer satisfaction with IT, your visibility in management and IT circles, and your willingness to use things like teleworking?" Yes.  Except for my visibility. ;-)  But seriously, everyone wants to be part of a team that's doing well!

Rank: Cave Painter

Joanne: "Was training and coaching used to motivate and inspire internal people to play in innovative and customer-focused ways?" Absolutely.  We went from ZERO investment in professional development to a healthy level.  We have an annual retreat where we blend fun and learning.  And we have an awards picnic every year with a little goofiness and serious recognition.

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Bumping up an earlier question from Alison:  "I wonder where the end-customers' ideas come from: Specific IT-driven surveys or public meetings, or other public forums/surveys driven by other government bodies?"

Thinkernetter

"Jon, don't you think pain is a unavoidable side affect of innovation?" - Sometimes.  The key is to minimize it.  Think of it as investment capital -- a one time investment for long term gain.

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Done - on the Twitter follow!

Thinkernetter

What are the major differences, if any, between working in city government and working in private industry? And what does that mean when you're trying to attract top talent?

Thinkernetter

What incentives, rewards and recognition were used to help you level up your team?

Thinkernetter

You can also follow http://twitter.com/_jfeldman - I usually post columns there. :)

Rank: Cave Painter

rework - Great Book !

Rank: Cave Painter

Jon, don't you think pain is a unavoidable side affect of innovation? When people expect services to be as reliable and predictable as the telephone system was when I was younger  how can you manage to keep everyone happy?

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Have you noticed a correlation in your ability to recruit and retain high-quality employees with the city of Asheville's improvement in customer satisfaction with IT, your visibility in management and IT circles, and your willingness to use things like teleworking? 

Thinkernetter

Was training and coaching used to motivate and inspire internal people to play in innovative and customer-focused ways?

Thinkernetter

"Rework":  http://www.amazon.com/Rework-Jason-Fried/dp/0307463745

Thinkernetter

Getting early end-user/customer involvement is important but it also builds up expectations that are sometimes hard to manage. The scope always seems a limitless vista at the beginning of many projects and by the end is an opaque pea soup fog. Underselling to end-users might be a key in a smooth trip.

Rank: Cave Painter

Good time to post some questions, folks.

Thinkernetter

I like the idea of government IT as a startup. 

Thinkernetter

Which city has a chief innovation officer? Or company?

Thinkernetter

Interesting. Smartphone payment for parking totally failed near me - in Cocoa Beach, Florida - but I think it's because it seemed (from the outside) to be thrown together very quickly and wasn't explained well to local residents. Tourists may have got the concept, but many folk who live here f/t had a hard time with the concept.

Thinkernetter

Completely agree, @Alison!  Sounds like that was essential here.

Thinkernetter

Yes, @Joanne, and by getting end-user/customer involvement in early, you're more likely to get that buy-in.

Thinkernetter

Rolling out mobile devices to everyone doesn't make sense, that's true. 

Thinkernetter

@bleubug, I think it's less painful when people understand and buy into objectives and are customer-focused.

Thinkernetter

So is the secret to sucessful IT customer/client relations? It seems the way IT usually works is almost antagonistic to that. Isn't innovation always a painful process even under best case scenarios?

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Thanks for the map link..

Rank: Cave Painter

I wonder where the end-customers' ideas come from: Specific IT-driven surveys or public meetings, or other public forums/surveys driven by other government bodies?

Thinkernetter

http://www.ashevillenc.gov/Departments/ITServices/OnlineServices/mapAsheville.aspx

Thinkernetter

Definitely appears that a business reason came first. Without a real business reason, there wasn't going to be approval for new hardware or software, based on his SAN example.

Thinkernetter

I'm curious as to how much emphasis and focus there was on people (customers, employees) vs. hardware and other critical areas.  It sounds like motivating employees and connecting with customers was a high percentage of the success formula.

Thinkernetter

Absolutely--and vital that this comes from the top on down.

Thinkernetter

Empowering people to do the right thing - Important in any industry, in any company!

Thinkernetter

so far so good

Rank: Cave Painter

No wonder it's so popular in the daytime... you'd think the nightlife is pretty busy, too!

Thinkernetter

85K people to 120K in the day - that's a big surge in daytime population to deal with. 

Thinkernetter

Talk about a tough first day on the job!

Thinkernetter

I agree; there should be a better phrase than "soft skills."

Thinkernetter

Refresh, Thanks @ Kim Davis

Rank: Cave Painter

Should be good now (hit play, refresh is necessary).

Thinkernetter

This should be a really interesting IE Radio. 

Thinkernetter

@seoarrow   the audio is live

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Hi, We are waiting :-)

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Welcome Jonathan

Rank: Cave Painter

Good afternoon to all and thanks

Rank: Cave Painter

Audio would be nice :)

Rank: Cave Painter

Radio with audio.  A revolutionary idea!  Let me see what I can do.

Thinkernetter

Let's go for audio this time, shall we? ;-)

Rank: Cave Painter

Hello everyone!

Rank: Cave Painter

Hello everyone!

Rank: Cave Painter

Buenos Dias

Rank: Cave Painter
Some background on why Asheville is growing-- HuffPo article on 5 things to love about Asheville (including, but not all about the beer). :) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/homeaway/5-things-asheville-nc_b_2639118.html
Rank: Cave Painter

Greetings and salutations all!

Rank: Cave Painter

Looking forward to this event.

Rank: Cave Painter

Looking forward.  This time for sure.

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Looking forweard

Rank: Cave Painter

hope to attend

Rank: Cyborg

should be interesting

Rank: Cyborg

Second time's the charm?

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Glad to see this got rescheduled!!   See everyone Thursday!

Rank: Cave Painter

Alright, folks, we're going to call it quits on this. We apologize for the problems. We're going to get this technology fixed and reschedule. Thank you for your patience. 

Thinkernetter

I hit the play button. The little image spins for awhile. Then the play button comes back up.

Rank: Web master

No go on Safari for Mac.

Rank: Cave Painter

Or maybe that Dragon Speaking plug in....

Rank: Web master

Can anybody hear the audio at the moment?

Thinkernetter

If someone who types fast listens to Jon talk and adds it to the chat? :)

Rank: Web master

We apologize for the inconvenience. 

Thinkernetter

We're still working on this technology problem. Please stand by. 

Thinkernetter

using Chrome, to my dismay my IE is not responding and.. I'm just going to restart

IQ Crew

Listening on my droid...that is, the headphones are plugged in. Still waiting for the audio widget to resolve.

Rank: Web master

No playback. I'm on a updated Mac and tried a few different browsers.

Let us know when this get's fixed.

Rank: Cave Painter

Doesn't work in Firefox either.

Thinkernetter

I have refreshed several times to no avail.

Thinkernetter

Hmmm... refreshing the page doesn't work here. does it work for anyone else?

Thinkernetter

No, unfortunately it didn't. Will try another browser.

Thinkernetter

Please try refreshing the page. That may work. 

Thinkernetter

We seem to be experiencing technical difficulties -- no audio. Please stand by.

Thinkernetter

I can't click on play. 

IQ Crew

No audio here. 

Thinkernetter

no audio yet! Is it me?

Thinkernetter

does anyone have audio yet?

IQ Crew

The beer was new to me!

Thinkernetter

Jonathan is standing by.  Everyone ready?

Thinkernetter

There's more than beer happening in Asheville. Please!

Rank: Cave Painter

I kept coming across beer while researching this interview.

Thinkernetter

What were they like to work with, @jwallace?

Thinkernetter

Yes, please come, visit lots of restaurants, stay in our hotels, and buy local crafts and locally-crafted beer! :-)

Rank: Cave Painter

I agree let's all meet up in Asheville for this gig!

Rank: Cave Painter

but TEDx. wow! must do some due dilligence(sp?) so I can ask some thought provoking questions. :)

IQ Crew

I love Asheville!! such a beautiful city.. used to travel to the county couthouse there when I was responsible for collecting civil small claims filings in all of North Carolina for Judge Joe Brown and Swift Justie with Nancy Grace.

IQ Crew


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