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taimur_tz
Thinkernetter
Wednesday November 28, 2012 10:01:14 AM
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"If individuals are not able to access to their ISP and internet, regardless of DR solution they are still going to go through the struggle."

@DrT: Good point. I think the best option that companies have in this case is to have a backup connectivity via satellite that they can directly control. In this case they won't be affected much if the ISP cannot facilitate communication in the case of a disaster. Of course that's going to cost you tremendously but for some companies it may be worth it.

DrT
IQ Crew
Wednesday November 28, 2012 9:17:03 AM
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DR as a Service can be solutions for many cases. Another problem is power grid. If individuals are not able to access to their ISP and internet, regardless of DR solution they are still going to go through the struggle. All the players have to play their part right to reach a true BC/DR solution that helps the consumers.

Joanne Goldman
Thinkernetter
Wednesday November 28, 2012 8:55:21 AM
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Robert,

Your point would be valid if all infrastructure, everywhere, were wiped out but then we'd be into one of those Mayan things


12/21/12 - This is a test of your emergency backup system.  This is just a test - or is it?

StaceyE
IQ Crew
Wednesday November 28, 2012 8:13:43 AM
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Good point! It had to be frustrating for people who banked with the credit union in NYC who did have power and could not access their money. I know personally I would be changing my account over to a bank that did have a backup system in place after an event such as Sandy. I am sure it was bad enough not being able to use your debit card because stores had no power, but being unable to gain access to money in your account would be a deal breaker for me.

StaceyE
IQ Crew
Wednesday November 28, 2012 8:09:59 AM
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You make a good point about your data being housed in another country. Would it really make data vulnerable to laws in another country's jurisdiction? I can see why that would be a major concern.

swijeyakumar
IQ Crew
Wednesday November 28, 2012 12:22:33 AM
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Ulster bank in Ireland earlier this year had weeks of downtime while customers myself included could not tell where deposits had gone or if payments out were made. Banks should be forces to have back up for thier back up accross muliple contients to avoid such episodes

DavidSilversmith
Thinkernetter
Tuesday November 27, 2012 9:04:04 PM
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Good points from robjvargas on what laws will apply to your data.  I think it comes down to your basic cost - risk assessment.

  • Can you afford sufficient backup services that are not cloud based

  • What's the risk of down time from "events"

  • What's the risk of, as in robjvargas's example - the Taiwanese government going after your data.

Few solutions are perfect - you just have to weigh the costs and the risks and select the best fit for your business.

 

Robert McGarvey
Thinkernetter
Tuesday November 27, 2012 7:10:56 PM
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My house in Jersey City NJ *never* lost pwer in Sandy.  

 

Many homes and businesses never lost power and when thy went to their FIs, they wanted service...which they could have gotten if there had been a data backup in Chicago or Phoenix.

 

The BUMI story is a good case in point. That company's NYC offices were knocked down but it didn't matter to clients (in NYC or elsewhere) because the Toronto systems kicked in.

 

Your point would be valid if all infrastructure, everywhere, were wiped out but then we'd be into one of those Mayan things

robjvargas
IQ Crew
Tuesday November 27, 2012 7:05:09 PM
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that could work, Joanna.  But Google and Amazon are pretty hot to advertise their services as being blind to borders like that.

Which sounds good.  Until, someday, one of those mysterious foreign subpoenas show up.  Or, worse, said nation avails itself of some PATRIOT-ACT-style authority to obtain that data without warrant or notice.  If it can happen here in the USA, it can happen anywhere.

robjvargas
IQ Crew
Tuesday November 27, 2012 6:59:54 PM
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Robert:

[Y]es, Sandy is one off - but there have been other events and probably there will be more.

Probably?  I have my doubts about the anthropogenic side of the climate change political debate, but I *don't* doubt that the climate is changing.

So for me, there's no "probably" to it.  It will happen again.  We can utilize cloud services to prepare and maybe even be ready for it.  But let's not forget the concerns that gave us pause, in our zeal to face this challenge.

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