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Mr. Roques
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Friday December 28, 2012 7:56:50 AM
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Well, that's what we are hoping for. I chose "I don't know" because my answer is that I haven't stopped using it because I'm too involved by now and there are no viable solutions.
Paul Whyte
Researcher
Saturday December 8, 2012 2:55:31 PM
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"The sheer quantity of data they can access is probably the largest deterrent to their accessing information from any single person."

You raised up a valid point Chuck. It's not like these law enforcements agents have aglorithm that they can just go to, plug your name and have every bit and pieces of your life coming out. Imagine the volume of data we generate each day, so you can understand how big a deterrent accesing information someone gets really tough and very challenging.

 

chuckgregory
IQ Crew
Saturday December 8, 2012 6:00:22 AM
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"My question is if you as an ordinary citizen is living on the assumption that your email accounts are not private (even though you may wish themtobe private), how does aperson with a public image like Petraus ever expect his email accounts to be private? "

Just so, Paul. It is clearly not reasonable for a person with a public image like Petraeus to ever expect his email accounts to be private. Ditto for his financial records, legal records, perhaps even medical records. Entrance into public life implies that one's life is public. That seems almost a redundant statement does it not?

Those of us for whom life is more private may expect a bit less exposure at least to the general public (or our family and friends, as you suggest). But the community of spooks and hackers, including law enforcement, certainly can get their hands on it if they so choose. The sheer quantity of data they can access is probably the largest deterrent to their accessing information from any single person.

Paul Whyte
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Saturday December 8, 2012 1:19:58 AM
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"But I will continue to use Google Docs and Gmail and Skydrive and Dropbox and S3 Storage and assorted other services. I figure I'd rather have the police state grabbing my data online rather than breaking into my home and taking it off my computer. If these thugs want to go after me there's no doubt they can manufacture something just as they could create a case against any one of you. We just have to live the best we can and be happy they are going after the truly dangerous folks like Petraeus instead of focusins on us."

I voted the same way as you Chuck and had similarreasoing as the one you gave above. My question is if you as an ordinary citizen is living on the assumption that your email accounts are not private (even though you may wish themtobe private), how does aperson with a public image like Petraus ever expect his email accounts to be private? 

My cloud based emailaccounts may beprivate relative to my spuse and friends because they may nothave the technological pedigree to  snoop on them but I had beencompletely insane to think that a sophisticated law enforcement agency like the FBI won't snoopon them if they have a leadstory on me.

Paul Whyte
Researcher
Saturday December 8, 2012 1:10:23 AM
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@Kim:

That's a good step in the right direction. However I don'tthink it is necessarily sufficient to stop law enforcement agencies from continue this evil act. It just reminds me of when eavesdroping first hit the headlines 4-5 years ago.The FBI may sometimes go lawmaking bodies to get such warrants but I don't think they will doit for all cases. 

The difficulty here is that many of us may never know whether such activities are ben done on our email accounts on a regular basis except when something explosive as Petraus'sextramarital affiars hit the public airwaves.

Paul Whyte
Researcher
Saturday December 8, 2012 1:04:41 AM
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So the question that curent poll is posing to us is that now that you;ve confessed that ball of your email accounts are cloud based, are you ready and willing to continue using them even though there is ample evidence that the FBI is troling these cloud based accounts. 

I also used cloid based accounts and I am not ready to change even in the midst of such evidence. I don't necesarily want to believe that someone is illegally snooping into these email accounts. 

Paul Whyte
Researcher
Friday December 7, 2012 9:05:30 AM
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Hi Susan,

I don;tthink we are right to think of these unwarranted surveillance as been pervasive and widespread. Most of us cannot say forcertain the extent to which the FBI is undertaking these surveillance. But the issue here is that if you area public figure like Petraus was, you just can't hide your ethical vilolations forever. I don'tthink even a secured cloud based email system may have save him.

Kim Davis
Thinkernetter
Wednesday December 5, 2012 12:41:13 PM
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Has to get through the full Senate of course, but if the Committee are happy with it there's a good chance it will pass.

Ariella
Thinkernetter
Wednesday December 5, 2012 12:23:24 PM
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@Kim, I suppose that's something.

Kim Davis
Thinkernetter
Monday December 3, 2012 1:16:03 PM
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The Senate Judicial Committee's action on the Electronic Privacy Communications Act has at least hastened legislation to require search warrants for just about all email snooping.

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