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Mitch Wagner
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Thursday November 8, 2012 7:02:29 PM
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Will managing ARM devices prove more expensive than their Intel counterparts? Is managing a mixed ARM/Intel environment more expensive than a single platform?

Mitch Wagner
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Thursday November 8, 2012 7:01:58 PM
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mhhfive - I wonder if Apple will ever start making competitive servers again... 

You don't see the Mac Mini is a competitive server?

Mitch Wagner
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Thursday November 8, 2012 6:59:07 PM
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Jason Adams - I could understand other devices, but a server isn't something you want to necessarily get the lowest end of the deal on... 


Isn't that precisely what companies do when deploying server farms?

mhhfive
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Thursday November 8, 2012 3:29:00 PM
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@JasonMick - So ARM designs can be licensed to 3rd parties easily... but some aspects of x86 are not covered by patents anymore b/c they're over 20yrs old now, so why doesn't that open up further designs? Is it because further x86 refinements are now covered by newer Intel and AMD patents?

FYI, Looks like Samsung may be getting into the ARM server game:

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4391764/Samsung-plans-ARM-based-CPU-for-servers--says-report

I wonder if Apple will ever start making competitive servers again... They must be working on their own hardware designs for iCloud, right? I can't imagine that Apple would build a datacenter based on some other company's hardware..... So there's also potential for Apple to make some A6-based servers, too?

Jason Adams
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Thursday November 8, 2012 8:37:13 AM
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Thanks for the insight in to ARM. Although I do think ARM makes a great product to power certain mobile platforms, I personally, could not see it having a huge advantage jumping into the server arena. With companies like Intel cornering that market, it's going to be a tough barrier to break down. We can already get dirt-cheap servers with Linux installed that still provide ample power, so why would we want to potentially scale back any further? I'd think a company to be foolish to be so cheap on a server. I could understand other devices, but a server isn't something you want to necessarily get the lowest end of the deal on... at least not in my opinion. Let's hope ARM can come up with something more appealing for servers. I'd be interested in seeing where they go with this idea.

abdlah
IQ Crew
Thursday November 8, 2012 6:21:47 AM
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Thanks for the education. I have not previously known about ARM and you so your write-up was good for me.

Jason Mick
Thinkernetter
Wednesday November 7, 2012 11:40:45 PM
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@mhhfive

When it comes to customizability, the big difference is ARM Holding's willingness to license its cores, sharing the blueprints, so to speak, with partner third parties.  Those third parties can then tweak the core and production process to closely match their needs.  This is very different from x86 king Intel who does not license cores and sells a less flexible line of finished product.  It benefits Intel/x86 from a pure speed perspective, but makes its offerings more rigid.

dcawrey
IQ Crew
Wednesday November 7, 2012 4:30:30 PM
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I've been a huge fan of ARM for a few years now. I was excited to see Google release with Samsung their latest Chromebook that comes with an ARM processor instead of Intel. 

I have also seen companies producing ARM chips working on low-power server applications. I believe we'll see many more uses for these processors because they are tiny and consume little energy, which means that devices can be fanless. Many ARM processors can also be combined for enterprise applications as well. 

mhhfive
IQ Crew
Wednesday November 7, 2012 4:07:25 PM
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Apple seems to be keen on customizing its ARM hardware for performance, and I've heard rumors that Google and Facebook have started to do similar things in their datacenters... so is there a trend towards custom ARM chips for every BIG application? What makes ARM more customizable than x86 designs?

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