What do you mean by Cloud is not just the "Horseless" Buggy?

Great info, thanks Richard!

@mt-Or companies which would like to use less and less of their cash for Keeping the Lights on,kind of stuff!

@Mt-There is a lot of insecurity about putting this stuff with a third party provider.But its the way that makes most sense for companies with limited IT budgets.

@Mt-Not to mention cost and efficency issues.

@mt fabrications-Increasingly companies are being forced to put data off-site simply to satisfy compliance and redundancy issues.

@Mt fabrications-as i have outlined below,there are pros and cons of both approaches.

@renaissance-U can provison storage requirements according to ur requirements and needs;rather wasting unneccesary cash on storage which u dont plan to use.

@Renaissance-Thats probably the biggest plus of the cloud.

@Renaissance-Atleast not accurately enough.

@Renaissance-U cant predict how fast/slow Storage requirements will grow in the near future.

@Renaissance-Drink tons of water my man!

@Django-I wouldnt miss them unless I forced by deadlines.

@django-I personally learn so much from these events its amazing.

@django-How do u keep missing all the cool events?

@tintolou-On the other hand if you are 100% IN-house then you lose not just teh Cost Savings but also Cost Efficencies and finally Robustness that Cloud can provide.

@tintolou-And outsourcing it to the cloud leaves them usually hanging High and Dry!!!

@tintolou-After all,IT is more often than not expected to be responsible for everything that happens in the IT infrastructure of the company(speaking purely from IT perspective)

@tintolou-for have instance,if you use the Cloud,then In-House IT tends to lose control over the IT infrastructure.Which they dont like.

@tintolou-Both options have their own pros and cons.

@tintolou- Regarding your question here-

"Does that shift require a decision to invest heavily in infrastructure or a decision to move to the cloud?"

It actually a combination of Three things-First understand your existing Infrastructure better,Then understand what you needs are and whether are they being met by existing Infrastructure and then Finally u have to choose whether to go the Cloud way or Invest in In-House Infrastructure.

@minkay-its not just the slides but I also recommend u go thru the chat session as well as Lecture Radio;u will learn a lot!

@Amina-most vendors in particular need to understand the basic needs of Companies.

@Amina-Hardly anybody seems to appreciate this fact.

@Amina-this issue is very simple,we have to figure how to do more with less with each and every passing day.

@Amina-ANd that is critical-how do enterprises adopt/modify their existing budgets so as to extract maximum from them.

@Amina-my opinion is MObile is here to stay,Get used to it.

@Amina-U never know if by then if the world will be even close to what it is today.

@Amina-Dont u feel 2023 is a little bit too far off???

@wlkoerner-These archives are critical to the whole deal.Without them we wouldnt learn half the things we do!!!

Yes... thanks for the archive.

Thanks for the archive

greenfield - project that lacks constraints imposed by prior work

Or they bridge PCs and mobile devices . . .

I guess laptops go under mobile devices.

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Our agency is so far behind in technology that we won't offer mobile apps until 2023, IMO.

thanks

good use of time

very timely

Thank you

Good presentation

Thanks for the information.  Good presentation.

Does that shift require a decision to invest heavily in infrastructure or a decision to move to the cloud?

Thanks

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Thank you Richard for the presentation and a informative lecture.

Thank you so much for the infromation.

THanks for the presentation.

I agree with earlier post about being able to get and listen to info after the broadcast.

I enjoyed the slides.

Thank you for the presentation

Agree

it is nice that we can attend after the fact because of busy schedules

Very informative presentation

Thanks

Great presentation

Yes we are truly global

Answered my question, great

The storage needs are getting out of control. How can you forecast your storage needs?

Need more water, lol

Much better

Audio is kind of muffled

Fell off for a minute downloading the slide

@renaissance-view the archives ,its all there!

Sorry I missed yesterday Dr. Appt.

@Gigi-Speaking just from an IT Pros viewpoint-I want as much control over my IT resources as I can get today.

@Gigi-The way I look at IT providers is that they increasingly want to provide IT services as a Utility(just like electricity).Just dont know how long it will take for customers to move/transistion to this new reality.

@goodsam-gud to have u back!

hope to make it for todays session

my connection had been shady these days, suspect the router is dying

hey susan

My company does not need to put our information off site in someone elses hands.  

interesting lecture, eventhogh i dont trust the cloud computing too much

good day

thank you

good info 

interesting

Hello

Goodsam, I thought you were missing. 

@django! We little helpers were here, too, just earlier. See you on Wednesday for the second day of class.

Thanks Richard for a nice and detailed presentation. All the best

Would you able to say that IT is in a transformation change

what are the challenges CIO/CIO has to face during the economic down times, in case of modernization

Richard, what are the changes you are forseeing in IT sector for the next couple of years

Hi, one more series of 7DEE clases

looks like the whole crew is back

hi gang

Thanks for the great presentation Mr. Richard Villars. Thanks Kim.

Risks and Security, clouding the issues, heheh, issues for big data in the clouds

I agree. Really dramatic changes happening in the IT world

I like "business Centric" vs "customer centric"

Great information

I miss the professor helpers...

they were always quick in answering the very important question "What page are we on now?"

SF, NF, others

Just browsed thru the slides. Very interesting topic, very important for CIOs and Enterprise Architects, also others, I'm pretty sure

a lot of familiar attendee names...

did not see SecTech though, I hope she read the email about this new 7DEE

How can I miss the first class? grrr grrr!

What a bummer...

Just doing the rerun now

hi 7DEErs

See you tomorrow

Thanks

Great content

Nice presentation

See you, NJ

seee ya

@HH, you too, take care. See you tomorrow. 

@HH are you in NY?

Take care, everyone!

@SF: OK, maybe I will ask Nicole!

@HH: I only got that one and the snow hat

@HH: I think it's from the last 7dee 

@SF: Who sent it?

@SF: I see!

@HH: a little green pin

@SF: What kind of pin was that? Never heard about

@HH: I like the pin very much. I put it in my laptop case

@HH, no, I haven't seen the picture.

@HH, I know what QR code is. 

@SF: It is called a QR code

@SF: Yes, haven't you seen its picture? I mean the 2 2 dimentional code at the back of the T-Shirt

@SF: Yes, haven't you seen its picture?

@HH with a bar code?

@SF: IE owes me my pin then

@SF: The Pin? WHich one?

@SF: A t-shirt with a nice barcode

@HH: I got that one, too. And the pin.

@SF: I hope this time will be different 

@SF: I have got the Snow cap

@HH, no, me neither. Just like you.

Bye, dagamier

@SF: Have you got yours?

@SF: No, I've never got a DEE T-shirt

@HH: did you get yoru t-shirt?

Thanks.

see you @dagamier

gotta go folks. audits call. cya in the next class

thanks

Thank you.

@sspclan: The same here!

Bye, @nathan!

@sdenzler: There will be more tomorrow!

Very informative webinar

Thanks

@sdenzler: You're welcome -- back again tomorrow!

I cant stop thinking about that cool t shirt

See you 2morrow @Nathan!

Thanks for the webinar.  Informative!

I'm looking forword to getting my T-Shirt!

I can start thinking about that 7DEE T-Shirt!

Bye Kim, Nicole, Susan, Mary, yettaj, hounhosp, lin, et al.

@yettaj: Take care!

Thank you, Nicole! :) See you! Thanks so much for the invitation to 7DEE!

Bye nathan, lin, nicolle, houshosp

Same place, same time, tomorrow.  Thanks Rick.

We are back here tomorrow at 2 PM ET for our second lecture in this series. See you then!

See you @Nathan!

We will here again, tomorrow!

Thank you for your time, Rick. And thank you everybody for all your great questions and participation!

I am also off. See everyone tomorrow!

Bye!

See you later, Joe! Thanks for the chat.

Thanks, hounhosp.

Yes, me too @joe.  Bye all. See you tomorrow.

Bye, all!

@yettaj, Diebold Corporation in Florida, Bush's friend at Fox, and his brother Jeb (Florida Governer at the time) sealed Bush Jr's presidential fate in 2000. :P

@Joe: You too!

Take care, guys.

Okay, about that time for me.

@Joe: I see. Good

@nathan, yeah, he's a great guy.  Too bad he wasn't president.

Depends on the lawyer.  Some, legal issues in IT are all they do.

@yettaj: That is what I think

@yettaj, and he invented carbon trading scheme reaping in millions before he was charged with assaulting a massage therapist.

@Joe: Are lawyer generally confortable with IT?

Thanks Rick!  Very interesting

@hounhosp - yes lots of storage.

Need to sign off.  Thanks again for attending and for chatting.  Looking forward to some very interesting times ahead.  On the copyright front, I think all the legal precedents come out of the coorespondences of authors in Victorian England.  Time to find a good solicitor for one's video image

@Joe: Is your legal work (job) about technology?

@nathan, @lin, I still think that Al Gore invented the internet right before he invented global warming.  

Yes.  Agree.  And I invented shopping because I am very good at it. 

How a worldwide Augmented Reality adoption affect the data storage indusstry?

@yettaj: Interesting! 

Through legislation passed via the Clinton administration

And that one too.  And this one.  And the next one.  And so on.  ;)

@lin, when Al Gore talked about Inventing the Internet he was of course talking about opening it up to businesses and individuals outside of government and universities.

Yup.

@Joe: By you? 

@hounhosp - I like that Augmented Mind - how about Augmented Reality (overlay of information on recognized images)?

To use an example: This chat comment is copyrighted by me.  UBM has a license to use it.

I think packet-switching/ARPANET was the precurer to the Internet on a physical level.  All that cool WWW stuff is Tim Berners-Lee.  

@hounhosp, wait until 2045 when the Singularity comes. lol.

Joe, a crazy Ron Paul type-extremist recently added me to Facebook and they added some kind of legal notice about how their data is their own property, and that their freedom of expression on the private Facebook network had more power than the Terms and Conditions of Service of Facebook. I had to laugh.

What is the future of "Augmented mind"?

Of course, registration w/ the U.S. Copyright Office may be desirable, and in most cases necessary for enforcement.  It can also provide other benefits.

Interestign cloud development related to public data.  Amazon and some of the other big cloud storage players are seedign their space with public data (the one I know about is genomic data based on NIH work which is required to be public).  Turns out more people will "rent" your compute resources if you give them some free data to pound on. 

@Joe - so how do I copyright my copywrite? ;-)

Nation's laws differ.  In the US, if the work is original, creative (i.e., non-functional -- an alphabetized list of names is not, generally, copyrightable), and in a fixed form (written, typed, recorded, etc.), it's generally copyrighted upon creation.  Registration is not usually necessary.

@yettaj: LOL!!!

@Joe, I guess my question more was on someone else's statement about recording a hangout and making it a podcast. Who gets to draw that line. More of a "thinker" question than one that probably can get an eays answer

@hounhosp- yep!

"Copywrite" means what you do if you write advertisements.  "Copyright" means intellectual property protection for original creative works in a fixed form.

@Joe:  Interesting.  I wonder what Google would say?

join the crowd...

@Kim, good one!

"Virtualization is the first steps in cloud computing", right 

@Joe very true. How do you know this stuff? Are you a lawyer or something? :P (JK!)

@dag: My *guess* (read: not legal advice), not being familiar with the TOS of Google Hangout and not having really analyzed the issue, would be that the participants are creating the work, and as such are the copyright holders (if one exists) and giving Google a license.

@Joe, so how do casual/amature content creators protect their property?  Do they have to get it copywrited (is there such a word?)

@Joe, I think dagamier just means public space.

@yettaj, I thought researchers at DARPA invented ARPANET, the precursor to today's Internet.

@Kim, I can't wait!

@Joe, maybe not, but it's like trying to keep jaywalking the law the same while supplying the world with twenty five million miles of road without vehicles.

@Joe, I thought Al Gore invented the Internet?

"Public Domain" is an idiomatic legal expression.  It just means that the material was never copyrighted to begin with (such as US Government works, which are never subject to copyright) or the copyright has expired.  The cloud has nothing to do with public domain.

@Joe, using that same statement about copyright and the google hangout....where does the copyright like lie? It's a public domain forum so who is the controlling authority. To me, it's like hanging out at a coffee house and using a phone to video someone doing something stupid and putting it on Youtube

Anyone interested in sharing data is going to love reading my next Analytics Clan blog.

Cliffs Notes version: Tim Berners-Lee did not singlehandedly change copyright law when he invented the World Wide Web.

Thanks @Joe.  Is there a definition for Public Domain?  Especially on a Public cloud!?

"Collecting data is only the first step towards wisdom. But sharing data is the first step towards community." - Linux IBM "Prodigy" ad from 2003. How prophetic to today's times!

99.9...% of the time, Fair Use does not apply.  If you're not an educator using a *small* amount of the material in a classroom (a physical classroom -- not a virtual one) or a journalist quoting the tiniest passage, it's almost certainly not Fair Use.  And even in those instances, it may not be Fair Use.

@rick - I love it film school.. of course we could do it online.  Not all content is good content. ;-)

@Joe.  HaHa.  Not terribly precise, no empirical evidence, so probably not accurate either.

Copyright issues, no matter the technology (this is what confuses people, and what allows some people to think that so long as they tell you whose copyright they're violating, they're magically no longer violating copyright), are always the same.  Is it public domain?  If not, who owns it?  If not you, do you have permission to use it in the way you want to use it?  If not, don't use it.  End of story.

@yettaj:  I don't know.  Reminds me of when we all started making our own slides.  I still see decks with green letters on purple backgrounds.  Think we would all need to go to film school first.  Your stroage team will hate you but Cisco and Seagate will love you

I don't think that OpenOffice cuts it for some applications. If you want free Microsoft tools just use their free "Starter" apps that may come with your OS. I use the unlimited Microsoft Excel 2010 and Microsoft Word 2010 Starter and it has non-intrusive ads on the side.

@nepal: Is that free?

Well, so long as you're precise, lin.  ;)

@Joe, I'll bet! The tchnology is so ready for video streaming/recording.  What sort of copywrite/privacy/security issues are there?

Mistake - Meant to say OpenOffice does 99% (not 90%) of what I need to do.

@Joe: It may not be a right solution for sensible documents

@joe-my experience wid openoffice has been great.recommend u retry.

@Joe, I love Google Docs for my business but then I started using Google Drive and the whole thing is one giant unorganized mess of business files and personal ones. Time for some cloud house-keeping and organizing. And probably encrypting while I'm at it. :P

@Mary Jander:  Sorry if I missed.  That is a loaded question.  Having met with many of the major cloud players I can say that their security practices are top of the line compared to most enterprises.  For me, many people still assume direct ownership/control of the physical asset is inheriently more secure.  Its like we all know air travle is way safer than car travel, but most of us feel safer in the car if we are driving ourselves (passengers may feel otherwise of course)

Joe, I've used and loved OpenOffice for years.  Try again.  

Doesn't mean I don't have a couple computers with the full MS suite.   But OpenOffice does 90% of what I need to do.

@Joe: I understand!

It's clearly possible.

@yettaj: Some people have figured out how to record Google Hangouts as podcasts for later playback.

As for Google Docs, I don't like having to rely on the cloud.  Sometimes, I need to be able to work on documents without Internet access.

I dont think BYOD shud happen if the IT dept is not ready for it.After all they are the ones who are always left standing with the can once the whole thing falters.

@nithan: Is there any evidence?

@HH: Google Docs are great

Something Nathan mentioned earlier, if the enterprise needs to become more reliant on the cloud, there needs to be pressure on cloud suppliers to offer solid SLAs.  Agree?

@rick, I want to be able to store video sessions and then replay them - kind of like training, also for preserving memories. Wouldn't that be fun!

I've had a number of people recommend OpenOffice to me.  I went to their Website.  Half the links don't even work.  So no, I don't think I'll trust their software.

@hounhosp, and improving all the time!

@Mary, I also want to know Richard's opinion about that

@lin, what kind of malicious code can be executed on BlackBerry devices versus Android and Apple is the question I am quite curious about...

@efree: Right, Google Doc is a great alternative to MS Office 

Perhaps a BYOD course for those companies would suffice.  (i.e., to aid the non-techies, keeping them from making stupid decisions)

@aum007, Huawei runs the network infrastructure for a lot of mobile towers across the US and Canada.  They were accused of theft by the US government. Scary given that all of our texts, videos and calls are over towers. Telus, Bell, Verizon are a few of Huawei's clients.

you mean "aren't trained"?

@Rick: Forgive me if you've answered this, but are private services really less secure than public ones?

@Nathan, Blackberries are great for non-techies.  Non-techies are the ones I worry about BYOD.  

@lin cramption:  not my area but one thing to watch with BYOD is intenrational travelers.  Int'l data plans can become huge money syncs if employees are trained

Google Doc is great it is easy to access everywhere and you do not have to worry about someone or a company not having the programs or the compatibility.  I use it all the time no issues

Yes, as opposed to 70 days.

Remind me, lin.  Maybe I can dig out that info for you.

@nathan-i dunno abt stolen secrets but more like super-cheap credit from Chinese Govt.Destroy the competition and then capture entire markets.

@ef: this is 7DEE :)

I like "7DEE" better... it's more accurate.  ;)

@Joe - very interested in that server cooling device.  

@efreeman51, 7 days. :P

@vettja:  The finaicial folks are startign to be concerned about video chat sessions (like voice mail), but most are stored (officially) unless you ask.  Like the phone companies, some sessions may get recorded for quality assurance testing though. 

@lin, good! Companies should join the new decade in our new century. BlackBerries are so 5 years ago.

All good info

well 7DEE

@lin-what abt on the other side?if ur IT dept cant support BOYD?bcoz its understaffed?what happens then?

So happy that 6DEE is back

@lin: Well, yes, mandatory BYOD, I think, presents its own problems and issues.  Personally, I am not a fan.

Some in the telecom circles I'm involved in believe that Huawei was built upon stolen secrets from Nortel over a decade long period. lol.

@jgrham! Come back tomorrow

See you @jgrham!

Joe, I agree that BYOD is great if the employees want to BYOD.  Some large companies are discontinuing providing a Blackberry to their employees.  A solid BYOD policy is a great idea, but I think BYOD should be optional.  Asking all employees, including those who don't know/care about technology/security, to BYOD presents lots of challenges.  

gtg, thanks

@nathan: Indeed.  One of the most important aspects of security is knowing about a breach if and when it occurs.

@rick, very good point about streaming vs. storage.  Are video chats "recorded" and stored somewhere? What about privacy and content copywrite issues with recording and storing of video data/converstations?

@kim:  The low strucutured data figures surprise a lot of people, but basic tranaction data rates grow at a pretty steady rate.  (Mobile credit card systems are next big jump).  Good database operatiosn includes archiving that data for later analysis.  Doing that truns it into unstrucutured (some would say semi strucutured data).

@Joe, yep. True.

Windows 8 will beat the other OSes.

@Nepaliprem - GO STEELERS! :D

Welcome, Nepaliprem.

@Joe well put. Scary thought that I recall from a quote on a TED video on hackers there are two types of enterprises out there: those who have been hacked, and those who aren't aware they've been hacked. And that probably all fortune 500's have been infiltrated by hackers, a lot from Russian and Chinese.

You can't afford to sit on your thumbs for a few months during a Find query.

Google Doc is very good. No need to upgrade my MS Office

Private cloud is better for healthcare IT anyway than public cloud, even compliance requirements aside, because of the vast amount of data those organizations deal with.

@yettja:  Video conferencing (now more personal video chat) has a big impact on bandwitdh but not so much on cloud storage.  The real giant here is video survillence.  A standard military drone today generates 6 Petabytes fo video a day.  There aren't a 100,000 soldiers watchign that.  its being mined continuously again and again.

So in those cases, you have a security breach without even knowing you have a security breach -- something that perhaps could have been mitigated by a good, well implemented BYOD policy.

@Susan, it's back up. A minor hiccup. We use Google Docs.

@SF: I've never experienced that 

@lin: Conversely, the problem with not having BYOD is the companies who BYOD anyway and then wind up having their device -- with proprietary company data -- compromised.  In those cases, employees are often disincentivized to self-report.

@Rich: Who is the best cloud solutions porvider?

@Nathan, yes, sometimes Gmail is down. 

@hounhosp - oh!

Compliance requirements in healthcare give rise to concern of security of "private clouds".

Are vendors developing tools to allow users to verify redundant backups, access auditing and other similar issues?

@nathan: I meant "about" my company too

@Lin that's my biggest concern. BYOD = BYOV and gift it to everyone else

Welcome, Rick!

No worries, Rick, glad you could be here!

I was very struck by the graphic showing the limited amounts of structured data being stored.

@nathan: I can say the same with might too. 

hounhosp - 7 employees.

I won't be comfortable with BYOD until I see what happens to employees who BYOD and Bring Their Own Virus.  Not that I'm planning to bring a virus, but I don't want to be on the hook for bringing systems down or releasing information.

Wow, speaking of cloud I can't access my corporate gmail cloud service. Perhaps it's down...?

Apologies for slow reponse and typos.  Part of the last generation that thought typing classes were onlpy for secretaries.

@Rick, do you see Video Conferencing as something that will (finally) take off with the growth in Video technology/content ?

@nathan:What is the size pf your company?

@nathan: Great, you are ahead of time

@Nathan: >:)

There's Rick everyone. Thank you for joining us!

My company is 100% BYOD. We're a small business though.

@hounhosp: Storage is one of the most interestign and demanding part of the new world.  We've all been building storage for strucutured data (and now reacting to virtualkized environments), but the world and cloud has been busy worrying about how to store Petabytes and even Exabytes of data.  The storage world is only going to get more diverse with systems optimized for cloud, content streaming, archive, and big data.  Lots of work for IBM and its competitors to do.  keep an eye on the cloud players themselves.  new arcchitecutres for object storage are already shaing up parts of the HDD industry.

Just let Richard get some air and water. be patient

@Larry G are you having trouble with getting things tested?

I think companies would pay for a service.. like NORTON... to validate APPs ....and then IT Teams wouldn't need to do the testing.

Oh goodness. I was Rick Rolled.

Yeah, BYOD is starting to get some support here as well...