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I KNOW I was here. but where?

IQ Crew

nope, I learned my cut and pasting error, so it's direct typing for me. I just need to copy my note before I hit send, so I don't have to retype.

IQ Crew

Were you copying and pasting? If so sometimes you have to use the HTML tool for that to work. Otherwise, not sure why that happened.

IQ Crew

yeah. I refreshed, too, and they are still not there.....Bye Tim, thanks.

IQ Crew

Thanks you guys.  Signing off.  Tim 

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And thanks to everyone on the board here for the engaging dialog and questions

IQ Crew

artfrank, you tried to post and they didn't come up?

IQ Crew

I lost two posts. Anyone else have that problem? Maybe because of posts coming in as mine are going out?

IQ Crew

cheers tim - keep up the nice work!

IQ Crew

Thanks, Tim! Keep up the great work. Hope to chat with you again soon.

IQ Crew

Thank you Tim!

Thinkernetter

And then there's a piano piece called The Kiss

IQ Crew

Great chatting with you, Tim... thanks for your time today

IQ Crew

Indeed Drug OD.  Terrrible shame.  Unbelievably talented...

Rank: Cave Painter

She's the artist you mentioned earlier who's no longer alive?

IQ Crew

Judee Sill.  

Rank: Cave Painter

aka - who did you pick up a tennis racket for and jam out?

IQ Crew

@Tim - favorite band from your childhood?

IQ Crew

Any other questions for Tim Westergren?

IQ Crew

I'm impatient. Hope to hear something on that front soon!

IQ Crew

Can only talk about Ford.  stay tuned...

Rank: Cave Painter

I don't know about our impact on piracy.  We sell a lot of music.  45% of people who use pandora say they're buying more music.  only 1% are buying less. 

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Tim is Pandora working with other auto companies besides Ford? Can you say which?

IQ Crew

ha! good one Michael

 

Thinkernetter

Mary... ask that question again when Pandora opens in China.

IQ Crew

Thanks for asking Michael.  There is and it's called the Performance Rights Act.  It's designed among other things to create greater parity.  keep your eyes out for emails from us on this topic...

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@Tim, do you think Pandora will help alleviate pirating of music?

 

Thinkernetter

I wouldn't mind paying the $3 a month if it was month to month instead of all at once.

IQ Crew

@Tim - just like last time online radio was in trouble, you asked users to participate. Are there any pieces of legislation or people in Congress Padora fans should be aware of?

IQ Crew

i agree with Butch

IQ Crew

Other questions for Tim while we have him in here?

IQ Crew

I dont' know moogis.  Sorry

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Yes, I don't mind paying $1.

IQ Crew

Web radio is about $.02/hour.  Doesn't sound like much, but well over $25million for us this year alone. 

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Do you think the Moogis model of videos and audio, along with social networking, is a solid alternative to Pandora? (Butch Trucks may be a bit old fashioned that way?)

Thinkernetter

but we want Pandora to be self sustaining --- and grow!

IQ Crew

Licensing should be as simple as a flat rate per song. I had heard it was 35cents for radio stations, but you said earlier that there was no fees at all.

IQ Crew

Everyone else: Forget you read that!

IQ Crew

Wow. I'm so impressed with myself.

IQ Crew

You've indeed found a loophole...

Rank: Cave Painter

We're adding Indian and African music, not streaming to those places.  Int'l expansion is stuck behind licensing everywhere right now...

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$3 per month - like I said - worthit!

IQ Crew

Hey Tim, I think I found a loophole. I was told to pay $1 last month to listen to Pandora once my 40 hours was up, but then I found it was still working on my iPod touch.

IQ Crew

Mary... why do you want Pandora in Canada? You already get it. <grin>

IQ Crew

... and what about South America?

Thinkernetter

PandoraOne has higher bit rate, no ads and a great desktop app.  It's very useful if you're ok with $36/year

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Right, so you think there will always be two products? One ad-supported and one subscription-based?

IQ Crew

Will Pandora come to Canada before India and Africa?

Thinkernetter

I love P1 worth it!

IQ Crew

(Of course, this will mean I'll be getting the car for free... ;> )

IQ Crew

Haha. Let me know when you need a quote.

IQ Crew

We'll always have ads on the free product.  PandoraOne has none. 

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That's right. The island of Manhattan.

IQ Crew

Buying a car because of Pandora. Now that's something I'd like to see on a billboard in Detroit  !

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Do you think Pandora will always have ads? Or is there hope that eventually you'll be able to phase them out in favor of other business models?

IQ Crew

Nicole, you must live where there is reliable mass transit to get rid of your car.

IQ Crew

We never 'censor' music.  So nothing excluded for content. It's all about quality.  DOes it do what it's trying to do well, and will the audience who hears it like it?  That's the overriding question

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Have you been able to assuage user complaints about the ads? Seems like they shouldn't squawk on that, since it's helping to keep things going.

Thinkernetter

Next 6 months is all about mobile development, and the beginning of car implementations.  Also of course refining the advertising product so we can stay afloat :)

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I've just gotten rid of my car, but I might go get one once Pandora is readily available. :)

IQ Crew

@Tim (flannery)... music can be very moving - and of corse annoying to some people - do you face any challenges when picking songs for inclusion? Profanity, sexuality? stupidity?

IQ Crew

Ha-- by badly, Tim, I think you mean that you just wouldn't perform on those instruments. I'm sure you're very passable!

Thinkernetter

I've seen a voice-activated version of Pandora in a car.  The future in autos is particularly exciting. 

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@Tim - open the"Box" just a bit for us - next 3-6 months - what's new on Pandora that will keep us here. 

IQ Crew

Tim, last year, I managed to get hold of Butch Trucks of Allman Bros. He's adamantly against what he sees as music theft online. But he subsequently has started a site that uses social networking and video (via Moogis). What do you think of that model?

Thinkernetter

I'm curious to hear more about your deal with Ford. Will Pandora be used the same way in cars, or will users have to pay a subscription?

IQ Crew

I also played the recorder, bassoon, drums, clarinet, and some guitar... but all badly. 

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Thanks Tim, Pandora rocks

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Great, Tim... welcome to the text chat

IQ Crew

Piano primarily

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Ah! Awesome, Flannery.

 

Thinkernetter

Tim, you mentioned you were an artist. What did you play?

IQ Crew

So go ahead with your questions!

IQ Crew

They certainly weren't the same apart...  Great example of creative synergy...

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He is here, under the username Flannery.

IQ Crew

Welcome flannery! is that a reference to Flannery O'Connor?

IQ Crew

And John stole it from Ringo ((;0)

IQ Crew

Will Tim be joining Live Chat?

Thinkernetter

Ohhh sneaky, Tim, you're in disguise.

IQ Crew

Paul stole all of John's best stuff ((;0)

IQ Crew

BTW, "Flannery" is Tim Westergren

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I second that artfrankmiami

IQ Crew

so, what does FTW mean, anyway?

IQ Crew

Thanks, Mary.  Hard to argue with history's most prolific songwriter...

 

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Great interview! This was a fun chat.

IQ Crew

Videos you have to watch, hard to do when you're at work (like following this chat session in time with the audio interview).

IQ Crew

John can't make it, Michael.

IQ Crew

Wow. Paul McCartney. Great pick

Thinkernetter

video killed the radio star.. no videos is a-ok

IQ Crew

Asian, India, African music... nice! that should help with overseas growth when that wall comes down.

IQ Crew

Great new markets in India and Africa, Tim!

Thinkernetter

lol PAUL I didn't know we had such a test, but I give it two thumbs up.

IQ Crew

The money earned should be all about going into the artist pockets. Do each artist get an equal share per play? Who decides? RIAA?

IQ Crew

so in other words it has passed IE'S STRINGENT BUSINESS MODEL TEST?

Researcher

Can you convert Prince, @Tim?

Thinkernetter

Moby and Kanye... there's two very smart musicians. Ani DiFranco!!! FTW!

IQ Crew

Kanye West likes Pandora, and he's really happy for you Tim, but he just wants to say -- Beyonce had the best record this year!

IQ Crew

Paul I think Pandora has a good model and a lot of room to grow.

IQ Crew

nice michael - right out of my mouth!

IQ Crew

Bono always says nice things!

Thinkernetter

Good questions, people.

IQ Crew

@Tim - thanks for adding suggested Genres to Pandora. any new ones on the rise?

IQ Crew

i think everyone says they're expecting profits by "Q4" but i hope it's true here

IQ Crew

does that business model satisfies IE'S Criteria?

Researcher

@Tim, what kind of music did you play?

IQ Crew

Black Tape for a Blue Girl!

IQ Crew

Agreed, artfrank. I've discovered a ton of music through Pandora.

IQ Crew

@Tim: Also re: major recording artists: Do you find they want video, that they resent not having video attached to their audio?

Thinkernetter

I find that just surfing "channels" is a way for discoveing new music, which may also lead to purchasing it.

IQ Crew

Thanks guys. Paul, I think Tim answered that before re: business model. They're anticipating profitability by Q4.

IQ Crew

@Tim, any plans for a mass advertising campaign involving famous artists?

IQ Crew

Great question, Michael!

 

Thinkernetter

What kind of music does he like? Relevant?

Thinkernetter

What is the future of Pandora? Does it have a long term thriving business model?

Researcher

@Tim - how are the major artists responding to Pandora? Any good stories about meeting a star?

IQ Crew

More questions or what? Pipe up, peeps.

IQ Crew

Let's not get off track here.

Thinkernetter

thank you also Mary

Researcher

Tim Westergren should have gotten the nobel prize!!!!

IQ Crew

Thank you, Mary! I argued with my friends about it all weekend.

IQ Crew

On the other hand, let's forget the Nobel thing for now, Paul. Just for this afternoon! ;>

Thinkernetter

haha. not relevant for this ongoing discussions. Glad u laugh though onColumbus Day

Researcher

I completely agree, Tim.

IQ Crew

Try asking him when he joins us on chat if you want.

IQ Crew

lol that's just not relevant at all Paul. But made me laugh.

IQ Crew

Great question, Michael!

IQ Crew

@Tim: Do you find people really interested in new versus old artists? Seems many folk are after the artists they've already ID'd as their favorites

Thinkernetter

@Tim - you've got the "groove" now -- any plans, groundbreaking that's game changing

IQ Crew

@Tim - before starting Pandora... and lessons learned from Napster, Grokkster, and the like?

IQ Crew

Can we ask him to comments on pandora's take on the Noble peace prize?

Researcher

Pandora now has commercils any ten minutes

Researcher

I think we can all agree that based on what we're hearing here, it's pretty clear that I have the coolest Pandora stations.

IQ Crew

Miley = Hanna - and my daughter hates both. She loves The Beatles, Beach Boys, and ABBA

IQ Crew

I listen to most of my music on Youtube these days. As strange as it is.

IQ Crew

@Tim - Is it radio though - or do you define it differently

IQ Crew

((;0) At least he said the REAL person, not the fake one.

IQ Crew

uhg.. playlists. I once had a conversation with a company that claimed "the playlist" would be the biggest thing in online music. Whatever happened to LP albums?

IQ Crew

Oh my goodness, Nicole. LOL

IQ Crew

Isn't that the same person? I'm very out of the loop.

IQ Crew

Whatever floats yer musical boat guys!

Thinkernetter

You guys are horrifying me!

IQ Crew

At least he didn't say Hannah Montana

 

IQ Crew

Taylor Swift rules! There, I said it. Don't feel bad, Terry!

IQ Crew

@Nicole - I wonder if they can pushback-

IQ Crew

Yeah, SteveG, I actually think it's technically illegal.

IQ Crew

Yes, what about the playlist, Tim?

Thinkernetter

i can't believe other listeners haven't said something and they haven't changed it already.

IQ Crew

@Tim.. I wonder if there is a danger in Music Genome, in helping RIAA kill off good music services?

IQ Crew

that is a major drawback for me too Nicole

IQ Crew

That's the only thing I use imeem for. Otherwise I find that service kind of irritating.

IQ Crew

I wish I could make a playlist on Pandora.

IQ Crew

More questions? Keep 'em coming.

IQ Crew

Not at all. I just landed on the site and apparently my US sub was activated.

Thinkernetter

Pandora licensing through Facebook. That would be interesting...

IQ Crew

Mary you're so sneaky.

IQ Crew

2nd refresh helped - nice & clear now

 

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Mary, LOL. I hope so too!

IQ Crew

or better yet, Mary, does Pandora have any plans to work with Microsoft.

IQ Crew

Hm. I was able to listen to some tunes on Pandora this morning from Canada. Hope it was legal!

Thinkernetter

@Tim - Is this still radio? are you redefining the listening experience in that sense or do you still see it as "radio no commercials"

IQ Crew

That's why I haven't used it. Aww... come to Canada!

IQ Crew

hmm... I'm not having that same problem, arp. Maybe try refreshing again.

IQ Crew

Any plans to work specifically with Apple in partnership, Tim?

Thinkernetter

I use Pandora on my iPod touch.

IQ Crew

sort of, lots of interference. mostly unintelligible

 

Rank: Cave Painter

The RIAA going after people pirating music on P2P and BitTorrent has shifted. When they realized they couldn't get anywhere in the courts, they backed off and are instead asking ISPs to deal with the users instead. The RIAA are totally greedy and they destroy lives. While I do not condone music piracy, I think there are better approaches to it.

IQ Crew

Anyone here using Pandora on their mobile phone? You need a good connection. 3G works better than Wi-Fi for me

IQ Crew

More questions for Tim?

IQ Crew

Great! Arp, working for you?

IQ Crew

Tim, how will the Music Genome Project be extended beyond Pandora, if it will be? What is the timeframe for that?

Thinkernetter

Michael, that is probably right.

IQ Crew

it is load and clear than kyou refrersh worked

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Have they fought that royalty structure or just accept it?

IQ Crew

I blame lack of understanding and good ole fashioned RIAA greed.

IQ Crew

Could it be there are high fees because we can record off air easily?

IQ Crew

Why is it that Internet Radio pays higher royalties than cable, satellite?

IQ Crew

those not hearing, please refresh your browsers

 

Thinkernetter

Let me know if that works for you.

IQ Crew

JeanU and arp, try hitting refresh, or pausing and playing the radio player.

IQ Crew

Not fair it seems to chart internet radio more than cable etc.

Thinkernetter

I'm not hearing anything

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Thanks for joining, everyone. If you have questions for Tim, please post them here.

IQ Crew

no I am not hearing audio. What am I doing wrong

Rank: Cave Painter

JeanU do you hear any audio?

IQ Crew

Seems there is hugely good reason for the ads, given what Tim describes

Thinkernetter

how do I get to listen to the broadcast

Rank: Cave Painter

I'm wondering if the song selection algorithm has been changed recently

 

Rank: Cave Painter

to me it would be the type of ads. There was an over the air station that played the dance music I loved, but the commercials done hip hop style were annoying. People have to realize the commercials pay the freight. I listen to Old Time Radio, and in those days, the sponsor, mostly cigarettes or oil companies, aired two segments of commercials in a 30 minute show. Some were crafted to be entertaining.

IQ Crew

I don't mind broadcast radio so much - mostly background noise - or something to get you pumped up. I like how Pandora and Last.fm throw in a few hard to get tracks from the past. It gets you intereseted in something old/new.

IQ Crew

They're interested in making money, though. Maybe if the other biz models prove lucrative they could phase out the ads a bit.

IQ Crew

They could do what Live 365 does and put in ads in between songs.

IQ Crew

The advertising has gotten out of control. Take over ads are more prevalent. I'm just interested in the music.

IQ Crew

You think the service was actually better? Or are you peeved by the advertisements/limit on how much you can listen to?

IQ Crew

Any comments/criticisms, arp? Things you'd like to share with or ask of Tim?

IQ Crew

Nicole, actually, I am, although it was a lot better earlier this year.

IQ Crew

I log onto pandora 2-3 times a week

 

Rank: Cave Painter

Anyone in here a regular Pandora user?

IQ Crew

Good afternoon, all... thanks for joining us for this interview & chat with Tim Westergren of Pandora

IQ Crew

I listen to Internet Radio a lot. What exactly was the problem? Is there a flat fee ASCAP license like there is for restaurants that play music?

IQ Crew

Are you Tim Westergren?

IQ Crew

Joined this site and then neglected it for months.  This is my first ever post.  Check out my profile and respond if you are interested in discussing internet, technology, music, etc.

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