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Surveillance on the Go

12/6/2011 19 comments
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In the wake of news about Carrier IQ, how worried are you about cellphone surveillance?
  Very worried
  Somewhat worried
  Not worried at all
  I don't know

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Mr. Roques
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Monday December 19, 2011 10:47:19 AM
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Well, while the article is about the mobile carriers obtaining info from customers, ISPs could very well be doing the same thing and obtaining the same information so unless you are using secure connections all over the board, the same worries are there.

nathanwosnack
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Tuesday December 13, 2011 11:26:22 AM
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Not worried. Analytics mobile companies like Carrier IQ, should however, be subject to regulatory penalities for violating their own privacy policy.

"When Carrier IQ's products are deployed, data gathering is done in a way where the end user is informed or involved." (Citation: http://www.carrieriq.com/company/privacy.htm)

They should also be exposed so it leaves a mark in this industry and discourages other businesses from behaving in this manner.

Dr. John
Thinkernetter
Friday December 9, 2011 6:28:58 PM
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Kim:

I've spoken with a few attorneys, but so far, no takers.  They say a class action is prohibitively expensive unless I'm willing to foot the bill. 

If I had that kind of money, I'd start my own cell service.  :-)

Kim Davis
Thinkernetter
Friday December 9, 2011 5:20:41 PM
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John, I wonder if there are grounds for litigating this.  Might be fun.  Might even win you a settlement if the vendor isn't sure and doesn't want a class action.

 

I am not an attorney and this is probably not even good advice.

Dr. John
Thinkernetter
Friday December 9, 2011 1:42:42 PM
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SecTech:

Sure, I could use my tech skills to get around their idiocy, that would be the simple way, but then they could just continue the idiocy, leaving millions in the same boat they're in now. Will all the users of my networks be on board with the idea of turning their brand new toy over to me to root/jail break?  Would they be satisfied with the fact that the minute I root/jail break their shiny new toy, their warranty become invalid?

No, the much better fight is the one where you push until you cause change, until you move the object you're pushing against. And, you do that by making a lot of noise.  By being the thorn in their side.  And, by doing the same with lawmakers.

 

SecTech
Thinkernetter
Friday December 9, 2011 5:56:16 AM
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@knoxzoo:

I can't say I rant & rave at the telco but I don't get my phones through them, anymore.  I get my phone elsewhere and if it's an Android phone, I 'jail-break' it so I can root it for superuser privileges and then I can get rid of the crapware.  I really don't worry too much about data usage as I have a data plan that is unlimited.  It's the principle of the thing.  Why should I have to put up with crap on my phone that I don't want, don't need and better yet, didn't install?  My answer?  I don't, so I won't.

I know jailbreaking phones isn't for everyone, but it is an option to think about.

jabailo
IQ Crew
Friday December 9, 2011 12:55:42 AM
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Here's where I draw the line between worried and...ecstatic.

If it's some evil entity, and he alone, watching me...well, then of course I would be worried!

But -- suppose the whole world were watching...each other!

Imagine a global village where every child could be tracked...where every missing person's last movements could be made public.

Imagine where someone who was using the right of Free Speech could be watched by everyone to make sure nothing happened to them.

Imagine if you could pinpoint where the crooks and recidivists are.

I want to know these things, and in some cases I want others to know about me.

Or how about more prosaic stuff...say, an Alcohol Anonymous group that tracks everyone to make sure they never go to a bar or liquor store.   Or a Weight Watchers group.

The anomie of our society is in part causes by a very modern isolation and "privacy".   Yes, privacy has its benefits, but I wonder if we take it too far.  In fact, doesn't the drive to broadcast our lives on social media indicate so?

Dr. John
Thinkernetter
Thursday December 8, 2011 10:40:59 PM
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SecTech:

You've touched on a very sore spot, and the cause of an ongoing battle with my cell provider.  It's my phone.  I own it.  Lock, stock and bit.  I paid for it.  It's my property.  How DARE you fix it so I can't remove what I don't want? 

I've been an exceptionally squeeky wheel on this one for well over a year.  Any time I'm bored, and have enough time, I call or e-mail, complaining and berating. 

Now, if a few million more folks would do the same...

Dr. John
Thinkernetter
Thursday December 8, 2011 10:36:51 PM
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You missed "Have always been concerned" as a response.

SecTech
Thinkernetter
Tuesday December 6, 2011 4:22:48 PM
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Precisely.  Some of the pre-installed apps require internet and if you don't have a data plan, that's another fee/cost tacked on to your bill.  How is that fair?  I don't think Cellular providers should be able to put any software on phones.  Period.

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