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Esther Dyson, Chairman, EDventure Holdings

Written by Mary Jander
12/10/2008 5 comments
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Few are the IT veterans who don't know Esther Dyson. For nearly 30 years, the daughter of famed physicist Freeman J. Dyson has written about, spoken on, and invested in information technology and the Internet.

Born in 1951, Dyson worked for a variety of companies, including Forbes, after graduating with an economics degree from Harvard. In 1983 she started her own investment firm, EDventure Holdings, based in New York City. For the next 20 years, she worked as a journalist and commentator on technology, frequently analyzing ways to organize and deal with information in her newsletter, Release 1.0.

When the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers -- ICANN -- formed in 1998, Dyson became its founding chairman, a post she held for two years.

In 2004, she sold EDventure Holdings to CNET, retaining the company name. Through the present iteration of the firm, Dyson invests in and helps to manage a variety of startups and projects in the fields of IT and the Internet; personal space travel; healthcare and IT; emerging international markets; and nonprofit groups. Past investments include Flickr and del.icio.us, Meetup, Boxbe, and Voxiva, among many others. She is also a director of 23andMe, an online source of personal genetic information.

Internet Evolution caught up with Dyson recently in the New York offices of Meetup, where she appears to set up shop occasionally in a cubicle near the window. Settled in a tiny but comfortable conference room nearby, we got down to brass tacks. Here's an edited version of that conversation.

Internet Evolution: You’ve had a front-row seat for the commercialization, regulation, and funding of the Internet. What’s been the biggest surprise for you about how the Internet has evolved? And what’s been your biggest disappointment?

Esther Dyson: Well, surprise and disappointment are the same… There are two big things: First, I was a much bigger fan of anonymity then than I am now. I thought it was cool. And it is, but it turns out anonymity really encourages bad behavior. I’m not in favor of the government tracking everybody and so forth, [but] at least persistent pseudonyms and communities and stuff like that makes everything a nicer place.

It’s like a lot of things. I’m pro choice, but I think abortion is an unfortunate thing. I think the same thing about anonymity: Everybody should have the right to it, but it’s not something one wants to encourage. And that’s not weasel words, that’s the reality of it.

[Anonymity] should be allowed. People should be able to make that choice, and there are many reasons to make that choice. If you live in an oppressive regime, you may well want people to be able to remain anonymous or have secret communications. But at the same time, it should not be encouraged, and it should be acknowledged that it’s a response to a bad situation.

IE: What do you think about the president-elect appointing a CTO, as he’s said he plans to do? Whom would you like to see in that position?

Dyson: First of all, I think what we really need is more a CIO than a CTO. Broadband is not a technology issue, it’s really a financial issue. How should it be funded? Should it be subsidized? I tend to think not. Broadband is a miraculous technology, and it ought to be able to pay its own way. We need competition; we also need attractive enough propositions [in which] companies will invest.

Every time you create, for example, an HR department or a CIO, you’re sort of saying the other people don’t need to worry about it, and in a sense, you need to be careful that you don’t start segregating what are some important economic and governance issues and just say, "Oh well, that’s the CIO’s problem -- we don’t need to deal with that here in our agency or in government."

The truth is, I’d like a clearer definition of what the job is supposed to do, honestly. Is it supposed to be an administrative job, a policy-setting job, kind of a strategist for how information is used, or a strategy for how government becomes more transparent and accountable? I’m not sure. All those things are desirable.

So that said, I’d love to see Larry Lessig in the job.

IE: More than 10 years ago, you discussed a model whereby people would pay for content…

Dyson: No, I didn’t say that. I said they would pay for services.

IE: OK, well, more recently, you said there was going to be a new model other than the old ad-per-eyeball approach, so that people would actually make their private information available and then be approached by different vendors with offers of what to buy instead of ads popping up. Are we getting any closer to that?

Dyson: Sure, that’s the basic notion behind, for example, Facebook or the Dopplr travel site, which I’m an investor in.

IE: You don’t see a resistance to it? Do you see a dwindling of the old ad model?

Dyson: Not yet, I think ultimately it will, because people will tune out. Some people don’t like it and some people do; I think that it’s up to the vendors to figure out who those people are and to deal with them appropriately. I mean, if you can categorize me by whether I’m my age, you also ought to be able to categorize me by whether I want [unsolicited] offers or not.

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modza
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Tuesday December 16, 2008 3:07:26 PM
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As a childhood friend of Esther's, I'm more than a little prejudiced, so take a grain or two of salt with this: I don't entirely disagree with Insultant! But for my money, it was the questions that failed to draw out the best of Esther. It's a daunting challenge to ask someone as experienced as Esther questions that live up to her reputation, so I don't fault IE's hardworking staff too much either.

If you ever had the privilege of attending one of Esther's PC Forum conferences in the 1990s, you would understand that a big part of her genius then was identifying and attracting the best and the brightest, and then asking them intelligent and provocative questions. Those conferences, limited to 500 (or so), were themselves social networks of the highest order, and much of the best value came from the interactions of the attendees, with or without Esther, but convened by her. 

I daresay much of what Insultant thinks and knows, and thus dismisses as "beige" was first proposed and considered by Esther 20 years ago.  Goes for me too, of course!

So here's my modest suggestion for a question to Esther: "What questions should we be asking you?"

 

Mary Jander
Thinkernetter
Tuesday December 16, 2008 2:59:02 PM
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Actually, Esther Dyson has never been known for aggressive statements. She chooses her words carefully and appears to prefer the studious to the flashy. It would be a mistake to denigrate her words because they are a bit "beige."

In my view, she said a number of interesting things here. For instance:

 -- Twitter will survive in spite of the naysayers.

 -- Internet anonymity should be severely restricted.

 -- Larry Lessig should be appointed Obama's CTO.

 -- The future of the technology industry depends in part on markets that may appear kooky now, such as personal space flight.

Esther Dyson is also more engaging in person than her transcript reflects. Five minutes in her presence make it clear why she's been able to influence so many in the tech industry simply by showing up and assuming that her say will make a difference. She has an air of authority and conviction that comes across in person if not on the page.

Insultant
Thinkernetter
Monday December 15, 2008 10:04:42 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Dyson

This is Esther Dyson's profile on Wikipedia. I assume it was written either by Esther Dyson or a paid PR professional. 

In any case, having read her profile, I was certainly expecting more insight, more eye-opening revelation than this interview provides.

Example:

Google has a fine business model, and over the last few months they’ve been gaining market share. So they will probably be fine. [Google’s] growth may not be quite as high, but it’s usually fine. That’s different from stock price because the stock price is kind of based on unrealistic expectations. Twitter definitely needs to find a business model, and they probably can. They’re generating a lot of data that can be searched and packaged and advertised next to and so forth, so I’m sure they will figure that out.

What a lot of beige commentary! Blah blah blah.   

I didn't learn anything from this interview, at all. Nothing. Disappointing. Maybe Esther Dyson's true skill is self-promotion? 

Insultant.  

 

 

DHagar
Thinkernetter
Friday December 12, 2008 5:03:48 PM
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Fabulous interview and confirmation of why she has the standing that she does.

I believe her insights on the fundamentals of the use of intellectual property and the key issues being pricing are right on target.  She is really stating that we have to come up with the appropriate business models and ways to deliver the services differently that make good economic sense.  The people who do that will win.

I also think her insights on the potential for internet's role in facilitating the management of healthcare is right on target.  She identifies the scope as from genetic modeling to social networking, etc.

Thanks for such a thought-provoking article!

DHagar

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A curious parsing of the anonymity issue with Dyson... I appreciate that she isn't reflexively dogmatic about this issue and understands where it's useful, and also where it undermines the power of this thing we call the Web.

    "I’m pro choice, but I think abortion is an unfortunate thing. I think the same thing about anonymity: Everybody should have the right to it, but it’s not something one wants to encourage. And that’s not weasel words, that’s the reality of it."

In other words, anonymity should never be one's first choice, but it should be available as an option -- and should serve as a virtual marker for a truly grave situation or conversation.

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