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Group Uses Web to Create Modern 'Rosetta Stone'

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7/20/2010 35 comments
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A group of language teachers, linguists, and other interested parties continues progress on the Rosetta Project, an attempt to archive all the world's languages on the Web while simultaneously preparing for a post-digital world.

An undertaking of the Long Now Foundation, a group devoted to preserving information into the long-term future, the Rosetta Project is aimed at exploring new kinds of information archiving that could survive even if today’s data storage technology does not.

The Rosetta Project has a network of funders, partners, and collaborators, including the National Science Foundation (NSF) , the US Library of Congress, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Part of the Rosetta Project includes creation of three-inch-diameter nickel disks containing information. The prototype disk includes 14,000 pages of documents translated into 1,000 of the world's approximately 7,000 languages. The disk is etched in analog characters -- not 1s and 0s -- in a manner similar to microfiche, according to the project's Website. Each page measures half a millimeter across and must be magnified 500 times to be read.

The nickel disk is held in a sphere of stainless steel and glass and is designed to remain legible for thousands of years.

Prototype disk from Rosetta Project. The reverse side holds the microscopic pages.  Source: Rosetta Project
Prototype disk from Rosetta Project. The reverse side holds the microscopic pages.
Source: Rosetta Project

Many of the documents archived on the disk are treatises on specific languages, given the project's goal to preserve all human languages forever -- even for an age beyond digital times.

Indeed, the Rosetta Project believes that more pressing than the death of digital memory is the loss of languages. The group’s Website states that "linguists predict that we may lose as much as 90% of the world’s linguistic diversity within the next century."

In addition to the prototype disk, the Rosetta Project’s Website contains more than 100,000 pages in 2,500 languages. This Internet archive is designed to prevent a "Digital Dark Age" in which data has been erased either by the degradation of the media on which it existed or by the loss of our ability to decode it.

In addition to the protoype disk and the Internet archive, an interactive version of the Rosetta Project disk is available for online browsing. The Internet archive contains millions of documents, books, and Web pages, all publicly available. The database is so large that it takes programming skills to really get through it, but anyone may tap in.

Copies of the disk -- its early editions and newer revisions -- exist in several places and on DVD. Part of the idea is to disperse copies to ensure its survival. One copy is aboard a spacecraft that set off in 2003 on an eight-year trip to a comet called Wirtanen, or "Comet 46P." The spacecraft is to orbit the comet, and then the Sun, disk intact -- forever.

This May, the Rosetta Project took its shiny little disk of languages to the 2010 Maker Faire meetup in the Bay Area and asked for help. Maker Faires are idea swap meets for the imaginative, who build kooky or inspired inventions, show them off, and trade ideas.

The slogan for the meetups, which happen in cities large and small, is "Maker Faire is a mind-blowing, family-friendly event celebrating technology, science, and craft projects with a DIY mindset."

In California, the Rosetta Project people showed off their linguistic prototypes, with magnification, and set up a digitization station. There, they asked people to get involved -- a key ethic of the linguistic preservation project -- by supplying translations.

That process continues on a video they posted with an appeal for more translations:

The audio behind the narrative is gongs, rattles, and the conversation you might hear at a Maker Faire.

The original Rosetta Stone is a 1,700-pound pink-gray piece of granodiorite on which, more than 2,200 years ago, were chiseled the same passage in three languages: Egyptian hieroglyphics, Egyptian Demotic, and Classical Greek. The Rosetta Project is the same idea, different scale and substance.

— Joe Grimm is a visiting editor in residence at Michigan State University's School of Journalism, and founded journalism careers Website The JobsPage.

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Joe Grimm
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Tuesday July 27, 2010 3:00:23 PM
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Thanks, Abdiah,

I wonder whether there is an opportunity here for somebody to build bridges online among these languages, mapping similarities and differences.

It seems remarkable that places have so many languages. It has to be because of travel and trade patterns and because some national borders are relatively recent constructs, compared to the creation of the languages.

 

Joe Grimm
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Tuesday July 27, 2010 2:56:50 PM
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Thanks, RamonAntonio,

I hear you. The genius is as much in the application as in the creation.

Given the interest we have seen here, I will keep an eye open for Rosetta Project developments.

Thanks again.

abdlah
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Monday July 26, 2010 1:51:17 PM
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Unfortunately, it was not easy to navigate. However, I counted a few Ghanaian languages (at least ten that are indicative of the extent of coverage - because they usually get missed in other presentations on Ghanaian language)

I would love to be able to compare the content of the information presented in the languages 

RamonAntonio
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Monday July 26, 2010 11:54:26 AM
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Hey Joe, you got it right again. Keys are the Key to preservation. In this case, success depends on the ability to tie the Rosetta project with its meaning and that's a key.

If the project doesn't convey a key to its use, its meaning, it will be useless. Thus, the development of a concise key is indeed critical for success.

We can contribute to the success of this effort by publishing periodically, as you have done, the whereabouts of the project. That way, the existence of the project and its purpose will be prevalent within a broad base of references, thus, improving the chances that someone gets a clue of its existence. This must be done because if the project is not mentioned elsewhere, its own existence may be obscured by history.

In that case, your article has become a key for the project.

Joe Grimm
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Monday July 26, 2010 10:24:47 AM
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abdiah,

Please write more about what you found. How many Ghanaian languages? Was it easy to navigate the database?

The Rosetta Projct people say on the site that they need help building an open dataset of language information in Freebase. Is what they have navigable?

Joe Grimm
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Monday July 26, 2010 10:21:45 AM
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abdiah and Princess_dascho:

Good point. How much time do we spend covering the same ground in so many different areas of our lives when the roads less traveled hold more of the secrets that can help us survive and succeed?

Will we use the Internet to put everyone on the same page, have them eatngthe same foods and listening to the same music, or will we use it to ensure the diversity of thought that leads to so much creativity?

Joe Grimm
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Monday July 26, 2010 10:18:22 AM
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Thanks, magneticnorth. (I love the handle.)

You sound so excited about this. Could some of the smart folks on Internet Explorer come up with a good project for a dispersed but interconnected group to create? Maybe something off the back of someone's workbench ...

Joe Grimm
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Monday July 26, 2010 10:16:00 AM
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Thanks for a dash of inspiration, RamonAntonio. Now I don't feel so grim.

When I think of projects like these -- either the Rosetta Stone or the Rosetta Project -- as well as research into DNA and of networks -- I can't help but visualize keys. They are small, but they can open tremendous secrets.

Even though it may take a lot of work to make these little keys and we might not even know what they will open, it is important to cut them while we can. A lost language is like an extinct species and it is foolhardy for us to stand by and watch them vanish, figuring they must not be important or that we can somehow revive them later.

Preservation is so much more efficient and authentic than reconstruction.

Thanks for your post.

abdlah
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Monday July 26, 2010 6:44:14 AM
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Yes, the preservation of languages for future generations would be a great legacy.

I was pleasantly surprised at the number of Ghanaian languages that have made it on the the "Rosetta Stone".

Thumbs up to them.

Princess_dascho
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Monday July 26, 2010 6:25:49 AM
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I agree abdlah,

It is a good way to preserve local languages in many remote parts of the world. There is a great concern that people tend to abandon minor languages to embrace the so-called official (or intellectual) in those areas. But with this project future generations could be able to trace back what kind of "tongues" their ancestors used to communicate.

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