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China vs. Google: Next Round

Written by Robert McGarvey
3/22/2011 30 comments
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The battle continues!

Turns out the 2009 cyber-attack by China on Google was just foreplay, even though it was severe enough at the time for Google to release a policy statement about the pattern of assaults on both Google infrastructure and the Gmail accounts of human rights activists seeking change in China. At issue was Google’s refusal to censor content served to Chinese users.

You had to know this wouldn’t end with what looked like an easy Google victory. Another shoe had to drop.

It has.

China now has intensified the dispute by apparently unleashing systematic but fiendishly clever assaults on Gmail within China -- or so Google alleges.

For at least two weeks, Gmail users inside China have had a range of intermittent problems accessing and sending email. Problems have also been reported with chat and Google Reader.

Google now has issued a statement: “There is no technical issue on our side. We have checked extensively. This is a government blockage carefully designed to look like the problem is with Gmail.”

What is so clever about China’s attacks (assuming Google has it right) is that the failures are intermittent -- that is, designed to appear to be Google miscues, not products of state security actions. But Google is claiming that, after investigating the issues for a couple weeks, it has determined the fault lies not in Mountain View, but in Beijing... with a government that is increasingly skittish about the regime changes that are sweeping the Middle East.

Fears of a possible “Jasmine Revolution” apparently are on the rise in Communist Party circles; and, to the Chinese leadership, Google executive Wael Ghonim just may rank as a personification of all that threatens the Chinese government.

Certainly one message that China is sending in messing with Gmail is to its internal audiences -- that is that the Great Firewall applies where and as the government wishes. If the Chinese ruling party can make a mockery of Google’s security infrastructure, who can’t it cause to stumble? Keep in mind that it already blocks Facebook and YouTube; and a few weeks ago it disrupted LinkedIn service, only to turn it back on a day later in a kind of “watch us do as we please” gesture.

China may also be sending a loud message that it is time for Google to exit the country, leaving search and services to the tame, homegrown Baidu, which now is surging on stock exchanges.

Can China make a go of it without Google? Signs are strengthening that the ruling elite believes so.

Can Google be pushed out the exit doors?

Bloomberg News noted early this week that a backdrop to the current brawl is that on March 4, in an opinion piece in the Communist Party organ, People’s Daily, Google was said to be “a tool of U.S. expansionism and hegemony.”

Bloomberg added: “ ‘They [China’s government] will try to become more aggressive gradually,’ Charles Mok, chairman of the Hong Kong branch of the Internet Society, said of China’s censors in an interview today. ‘Some things that were allowed or let go before, they gradually will clamp down on.’ ”

So far there has been no official response to Google’s charges on the part of the Chinese government, and none is expected. As The Wall Street Journal reported: “China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of Industry and Information Technology didn't respond to requests for comment. Officials rarely explain the workings of their Internet controls.”

So why did Google decide to go public with its complaints -- knowing that there is scant possibility that China will bend to this kind of pressure?

Your call on this is as good as anybody’s. Google is not offering amplification beyond the terse statement it released Sunday. Does Google want to make clear that bad service is not its doing? Or is this a broader defense of human rights on the part of the Mountain View colossus?

For sure, this has all the makings of a clash where neither side is prepared to give -- and that may mark the China vs. Google fight as the one to watch in 2011.

— Robert McGarvey is a widely published author and expert on social media.

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Paul Whyte
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Friday June 1, 2012 4:51:04 PM
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"Google has quietly upped the ante in a long-running dispute with Chinese authorities over censorship, adding a software twist to its search page that warns users when they type a search term whose results are likely to be blocked in China. The change, announced without publicity on Thursday on one of Google's corporate blogs, is described as an improvement in the search experience for users in mainland China, who can be disconnected from Google without explanation when they try to open a Web page that was found using a censored search term. "

 

Google to Alert Users to Chinese Censorship

taimur_tz
Thinkernetter
Monday March 28, 2011 12:43:52 PM
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I think it's really easy for Google to take revenge from China and the Chinese government needs to realize this. There are a huge number of searches made on Google each day which are looking for manufacturers and suppliers of products. A lot of these results link to websites for Chinese suppliers. Naturally the suppliers get plenty of hits and potential customers through Google. If Google decides to manipulate it's search engine and degrade the Chinese websites on the ranking, the Chinese businesses and hence the economy is likely to suffer. While Baidu may be a good search engine for Chinese users, there is no way China can make the whole world use it. The relationship between Google and China is a two-tier one and the Chinese government needs to realize that.

aum007
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Monday March 28, 2011 10:45:35 AM
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Princess & Kichencko,

You are both missing the point entirely.I meant block Google and its sister services to Users WITHIN China,China will have no control anyways on what happens outside their borders..

So Someone outside China would still be able to use Google to search for Chinese Products  Services.Only Users within China would'nt be able to access Google..

And by the way,its not like Google is the No.1 Search engine in China-Baidu presents a formidable and quality replacement service for most Chinese.

Regards

Ashish.

Princess_dascho
IQ Crew
Monday March 28, 2011 9:51:04 AM
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Maybe Chinese government  wants to promote  Baidu, the home search engine. And  Google's presence prevent them to reach their goal. But there is a cost to that.

Princess_dascho
IQ Crew
Monday March 28, 2011 9:39:37 AM
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"Block Google and its sister services ENTIRELY ..."
 
Right, China is a world's leading manufacturing and emerging country. China may be harming herself if she blocked the world's greatest search engine. I don`t think that would be wise. 

Kicheko
IQ Crew
Saturday March 26, 2011 9:04:54 AM
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'Block Google and its sister services ENTIRELY....'

That would be a bad idea. If China blocks Google they will be essentially blocking away the world. This is what China knows and they know they need the world because they are the world's greatest manufacturing country. Where will they be taking all their goods when everyone finally finds a less complicated alternative?

Mashka
Researcher
Saturday March 26, 2011 4:05:51 AM
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Robert,   just think about your headline- it opposes one of the largest  countries in the world to an Internet company. It is like a sign- not only countries are power anymore, some companies are too. I can fantasize about  the future in that terms-Google has its own army, or there will be a Google team at Olympic Games...It gives me shivers actually.

aum007
Thinkernetter
Friday March 25, 2011 4:21:11 PM
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Guys,

I dunno about you but if the Truth is really what Google alleges,I really don't understand  why the Communist Party in China is wasting time with such silly tactics.

Block Google and its sister services ENTIRELY.They can even go to the extent of declaring a Criminal offense to access Google in any form in China.[After all in  a One-party state which controls the Courts as well the legislature-The party can do whatever it wishes]-Many Despotic regimes have adopted similar tactics before.

Google the Colossus can take this issue to the US Congress,State Department or even to Chinese courts.None of this will have any effect in changing the Chinese Govt. attitude.

So the question returns once again

Why is the Communist party Wasting time with such silly tactics???

Regards

Ashish.

PaPaYa
Rank: Cave Painter
Friday March 25, 2011 3:52:16 PM
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Indeed it is poles apart. China does need more restriction on WEB access to protect intelectual property rights.

 

 

Kicheko
IQ Crew
Friday March 25, 2011 10:14:10 AM
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Jason_13 - Sure google can afford to lose the Chinese market if worse comes to the worst.
Nations depending on China's cheap goods will lose a lot too, but so will China for the same reason. It would be in their best interest to avoid a situation where google makes a complete exit from China.

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