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Amazon, States, & Merchants: Ménage à Tax

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3/15/2010 81 comments
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Unemployment is stubbornly hovering just shy of 10 percent. So why are states killing jobs, by continuing to pass laws to collect sales tax from out-of-state online retailers?

The situation has led Amazon.com Inc. (Nasdaq: AMZN) to sever Colorado affiliates from selling its products online.

Look, we all get it: The federal government has decided to continue to support companies like AIG and GM through taxpayer entitlements. Meanwhile, the states are receiving little assistance for many federally funded programs. Further exacerbating the shortfall, normal income from real estate taxes has been severely compromised. States now need to create new ways to derive income through tax programs.

So the state feels it should go after the small business owners that resell goods through the online marketplace.

In the case of Colorado, job losses are projected at 4,200 small mom-and-pop businesses that employ 5,000 people.

This is not an isolated incident, as Colorado joins both Rhode Island and North Carolina in challenging the Supreme Court’s 1992 ruling of Quill vs. North Dakota. That decision ruled that a state cannot force retailers to collect taxes from online sales, unless they have a physical presence in that particular state.

However, these states have asserted that Amazon in fact is doing business within their borders with local affiliates that have Websites directing customers to Amazon and other online retailers.

In 2008, Amazon objected strongly to the New York State Supreme Court decision supporting the affiliate sales tax. However, Amazon didn’t cut off its affiliates, because the company was given a strong incentive to stay in New York, in the forgiving of back taxes owed.

The same situation doesn’t appear to hold in Colorado. “I’m not at all surprised by this action on Amazon’s part,” wrote investor and Amazon affiliate Brad Feld in a disdainful blog. “I expect the Internet affiliate business in Colorado will completely die within the next thirty days (every company that has an affiliate business will turn off all of their Colorado-based affiliates.)”

There has been backlash concerning Amazon’s sudden departure from Colorado, and it’s targeted primarily at the state legislature. The law enacted this past month, HB 10-1193, is widely unpopular among residents.

So let's review: What appears to be a dangerous trend to both consumers and small online resellers in all this is the combination of state governments extracting revenues from businesses and online retailers pulling out of their markets.

State governments are squeezing both the consumer and affiliate out-of-state online businesses for sales tax, and at the same time losing income tax, as their actions deplete the employment market.

Meanwhile, the large retail e-commerce market seems to turn its back on small-income-bearing states like Rhode Island, North Carolina, and Colorado, but will remain compliant to the large income-grossing states like New York, where revenues justify paying the state sales tax.

Now, another big state, California, could put the situation to the test again.

Listed as the eighth largest economy in the world, California is said to be mulling legislation that would collect an estimated $150 million annually from out-of-state e-tailers.

Beware: It won’t stop here, as the iTunes Tax is gaining momentum as a future form of state revenue.

Damn, it appears the little guy is taking on the chin… again. Stay tuned.

— Chris Poley has been a professional trader for more than 20 years.

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Has anyone actually studied the internal vs external taxes?  I can see a problem for large ticket items that people dont want shipped, but it seems like I personally end up buying more from out of state than in state.

Chris Poley
Thinkernetter
Monday March 22, 2010 8:05:00 AM
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Hey Ashish, I had pointed out in an earlier thread that this is a lose, lose situation.

Amazon loses revenue

The Amazon affiliates lose $$ and their businesses

People lose jobs

The state loses income tax from lost businesses

State has to pay unemployment insurance

Politicians lose in elections in the fall

Works out well for everybody ;-/

 

 

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Hi Ira, on the surface that certainly would seem more logical. But obviously the disparity in sales tax generated from within is way too big of a windfall for such a concept to occur, especially in this economic environment.

aum007
IQ Crew
Sunday March 21, 2010 9:02:03 AM
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Guys,

No one seems to answer the question,Who wins in this situation ? Out of state Mom and Pop Online retailers?(like in New York,for instance?)

The really smart entrepreneurs are those who adapt and modify their Businesses to changing situations whether its changes in Laws or changes in Business Environments.

So who wins?

Regards

Ashish.

Ira Winkler
Thinkernetter
Saturday March 20, 2010 12:31:53 PM
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One thing that always seemed backwards fo me is that states should find a way to tax companies that sell into their states, and exempt transactions that involve people and companies within their state.  This way there is the motivation to do business with local companies, not the other way around.

Kurtkeys
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Friday March 19, 2010 1:26:24 PM
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@Taj,

And in my original reply I stated that on 12 Marc 2010, the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the Constitutionality of the term "Under God" in the "Pledge of Alligience." And the motto "IN GOD WE TRUST" on US Currency. Which rendered your entire argument moot in the first place, that we are without God in the midst of a Holy War.

The fact that most news outlets did not report this fact says something disturbing about what is truth in the news. But it is true that America is one nation, under God and no other, 

Be well. Be blessed and be a blessing,

Kurt

nathanwosnack
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Thursday March 18, 2010 11:03:27 PM
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"I wrote that money is not the root of evil. But LOVE of money is!"

A wise quote from Saint Timothy. Tim. 6: 10 "For the love of money (and all it buys) placed before the love of God (in reality) is the root of all kinds of evil."

How very true it is.

- Nathan Wosnack

Taj Malik
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Thursday March 18, 2010 10:44:56 PM
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I dont wanna win . I wish that everyone understand that we all look at things from diffwrent perspectives. And it is all revelant to the original comment. Just from a difernt angle. It boils Down to Our Govrnments use of the political arena to impose taxes, and create a false sence of security within our Country. With Or with Out the God that our fore fathers built this country on. And agian I never sadn you as an individual have no compassion, but if all you desire is monatary wealth then you have fallen into the trap of a form of evil.  

Kurtkeys
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Thursday March 18, 2010 10:22:05 PM
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And you are implying that I have no compassion, charity, faith or heart for the less fortunate.

Again I say it is The LOVE of Money, not money itself that is the root of many kinds of evil. Is this concept to deep for you to grasp?

We have chased this into obnoxious circles and your logic is flawed. While I enjoy a good debate as well as the next guy, I apologize to the others for allowing this to move so far off topic. And Taj, if you want to continue this further, I won't be lead asray again. Come back to the main subject and I'll indulge you.  Otherwise I concede and you win.

Frustrated,

Kurt

Taj Malik
IQ Crew
Thursday March 18, 2010 10:06:59 PM
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Not trying to be agrumentive and I am Not attempting to put you down. but Obvious is Obvious. I quote. "

By The way No One said you were eveil If you had Money. Money Is the root Of All Evil. And If your only Motgivation in Life is to Achive monetary Weath With No Love for the richness that life gives then Yes you have become a form of Evil."

 

Please understand. I have Money as well but I also share a richness full of Compassion, Love, Faith,  forgivness and Reverance. This is what seperate us from teh Evil that Money Brings.

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