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Desperately Seeking Cloud Computing

Written by David Vellante
7/30/2008 17 comments
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Cloud computing is missing in action -- at least, if you define "cloud computing" as more than just accessing services over a public network. That's the unpleasant discovery we made when looking to provision a development site for a new service we’re testing.

You see, we’ve developed this custom PHP application and have only a vague idea as to how much of a pig it is and how much server, storage, and bandwidth is needed for it to perform properly. But we do know this much: For our test-and-dev site we don’t need a dedicated server -- no way.

So we contacted our giant hosting firm, which claims to be part of the largest telecommunications company on the planet -- and yes, we still do business with them -- who said we have five choices for managed services: three virtualized solutions that are cost effective and two dedicated, non-virtualized solutions that cost way too much for what we want.

Of the three virtualized solutions the telco offered, we were told we could choose one with 40 Gbytes of storage, one with 60 Gbytes, and one with 80 Gbytes.

As a business person, this made me livid. My kid’s five-year-old laptop has more storage than this gorilla offered me. I said, “Can we get more storage?” And the large, rich, lumbering telecommunications firm told our IT guy that we have one choice and one choice only if we want more storage: upgrade to a more expensive dedicated service.

Even though we probably don’t need more than 80 Gbytes of storage for our test-and-dev site, I immediately issued a directive to start looking for alternatives. Of course, the big, slow-moving behemoth service provider couldn't care less about my concerns, because that’s their “policy.” (I'm thinking they’re destined for the same fate as the big, slow-moving airlines that don’t understand customer service either.)

This leads me to the cloud. A lot of vendor marketing poopadoodle suggests the cloud is any service available over a public network. But I think the bar should be raised higher. To me, cloud computing is a next-generation computing model that allows organizations, small to large, to tap into a network of compute power, storage, and bandwidth and "dial up" resources as needed to suit their business needs.

By definition, cloud services should be flexible. If I want 200 Gbytes of storage instead of 40 Gbytes, then charge me just for that upgrade and I’ll happily pay. But don’t force me to buy all the other junk that you want to throw at me because it fits neatly into your "policy."

So I asked our IT people to investigate EC2 from Amazon Web Services LLC . For my money, trends are established by trendsetters, and in this case it’s Amazon and Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) that are paving the way with services, not traditional hosting companies delivering services in canned, inflexible packages.

Amazon has one of the most reliable networks on the planet, and as a Web 2.0 company, I figured we should be utilizing a cloud computing infrastructure anyway because it’s cool. My next order was "Make it so." [Note to self: time to get an iPhone, too.]

Turns out it’s not that simple. EC2 is awesome if you’re a rocket scientist, which one of our IT people is. But when I said, "How will we support the infrastructure?” the answer was: “I’ll leave my cell phone on 24x7.” No thanks!

I Googled “EC2 hosting,” thinking there must be people out there providing services around EC2. There are, but I’m not going for it, as they’re far too immature. I then Googled "cloud computing hosting" and got many more hits… but none that inspired me.

So we crawled back, hat in hand, to the big, lethargic, indifferent hosting company and said, "We’ll take the #2 to go, please.”

You can check out the result at http://wikibondev.org. I hope you crash the site and totally overwhelm the disk space, because, as they say in the Web 2.0 business, if you don’t have scaling problems, you’re not growing fast enough.

But I'm dreaming of the day when I can solve this problem with a universal clicker...

— David Vellante Co-Founder of ITCentrix Inc. , Barometrix, and The Wikibon Project

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David Vellante
Thinkernetter
Tuesday August 5, 2008 10:22:57 PM
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Thanks for this Ian. This definitely reads like the Skytap team 'gets' the cloud thing. It appears to be a pure test and dev environment, which is a good market entry strategy.

Some red flags are if you don't use Skytap for production there are always configuration nuances that cause problems going from the dev to production site. Not deal breakers but a pain. Lack of a transparent pricing model is a concern 'please submit your details using the form below and a representative will be in touch shortly' (very Web 1.0). 

But all in all for such a new company these guys seem on track. Will have the 'white coats' take a closer look. 

knoxi171
Rank: Cave Painter
Tuesday August 5, 2008 9:54:59 PM
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(disclosure: I work for Skytap)

You might want to check out Skytap Virtual Lab for an on demand test environments. It sounds like you just wanted a standard php environment with the ability to configure storage, number of machines etc. for test purposes. Skytap allows you to get access to hardware, networking and storage on demand and has specific features to help test and app dev teams test out applications and reproduce bugs. Details are here: http://www.skytap.com/skytap-virtual-test-lab-manager

-Ian

jwallace
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Monday August 4, 2008 9:24:42 AM
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Hi David and Thanks!

"a next generation computing model that allows organizations small to large to tap into a network of compute power, storage and bandwidth, and ‘dial up’ resources as needed to suit their businesses."

So it is safe to assume that the 'cloud' service offers OnDemand super computing (at least from yesterday's viewpoint) power for a wide array of apps from websites to data crunching. I'm starting to get/understand the 'wrinkles' and current woes you mentioned now!  Yes this power is available and although it's made easy as possible by Amazon, however there are steep learning curves currently that require 'rocket scientists' to plug into the cloud thus limiting a wide adoption. 

David Vellante
Thinkernetter
Sunday August 3, 2008 4:49:48 PM

jw...good questions all.

One of the seeds of this post was a research meeting on cloud platform services (http://wikibon.org/Cloud_computing:_Seeding_the_cloud) where one IT users on the call proposed a definition that suggested the cloud is "a next generation computing model that allows organizations small to large to tap into a network of compute power, storage and bandwidth, and ‘dial up’ resources as needed to suit their businesses." 

The 'dial up' seems to be the linchpin, meaning as a customer I can choose to increase or decrease resources along a virtually infinite spectrum and be charged for onlly the resources that are used. Amazon for example provides everything a develper needs, including server capacity...and yes, the appeal is you're tapping into the most reliable, fastest, coolest networks on the planet (e.g. Amazon & Google). 

The drawback (today) is service is done on a best efforts basis and the SLA's are very basic. Earlier this year Amazon had a major outage which angered several cutomers and created alot of uncertainty.

The future is here-- it's just a matter of who is willing to jump in now.


 

jwallace
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Saturday August 2, 2008 9:41:50 AM
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Hi All - I'm still trying to grasp "Cloud Computing" fully. I once thought I understood what cloud computing was, but it seems I don't, so I had to rely on this explantion from wikipedia which just p^*#ed me off.

So how does virtual and dedicated services differ in a cloud environment? I'm assuming that hosting from a cloud has the potential to be much more powerful, and greater (my visualization is a server farm with many many racks of servers at many locations[facilities]) and virtual would have a possible delay in access of this resource wheras dedicated has no wait time, I get what I want when I want it? Processing and app/db existence also is spread out through out these servers versus living on 1 or part of a machine.

does this(cloud) have anything to do with vmware? Or similarities of multiple OS running virtually side by side?

I'm also going to have to re-read the initial blog, but Amazon provides the framework for this cloud (distributed linux/apache/db/php) and the server(s) host is someone else? I guess what I'm asking is Amazon provides a 'sports agent' service to a cloud whereas the physical servers (hosting) is the 'NFL'?

One last and perhaps the only question that needs to be answered. Let's say you went with Google or Amazon for this cloud service. Your app(providing it's developed well) potentially has the ability to perform at the rate/speed/reliability of Google or Amazon? So a search startup could possibly compete on the same field as Google, or a e-commerce start up can compete with Amazon on 'equal' footing? Where is the cloud model going to take us? and when will Quantum Computing surface?

 

David Vellante
Thinkernetter
Saturday August 2, 2008 8:27:52 AM
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Hi Alain,

In my experience, the problem with PaaS is immaturity. The ecosystems around PaaS are weak or non-existent. Crummy documentation, lack of developer communities, no good training, spotty support, etc. Lots of potential and I believe the future of infrastructure services...but not here today. Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines!

friarminor
Rank: Cave Painter
Friday August 1, 2008 8:50:03 PM
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Yes, it's not easy-weazy to configure your own clouds or even existing clouds.  That's where PaaS or platform as a service comes in - like jam or spread to make the cloud palatable and digestible so you developers can just 'deploy and forget'.

Best.

alain

www.mor.ph

 

David Vellante
Thinkernetter
Thursday July 31, 2008 10:48:05 PM
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Thanks for trying cjon :-)

The seeds for Wikibon came from former Gartner, Meta and IDCers. We thought about the most fun we had at these shops and the best research we produced and realized it was when we collaborated with peers and orchestrated interactions between technologists (vendors) and practitioners (buyers). We call it 'Peer Incite.' We are building out a next generation version of that experience, online, combining software technology, expertise and advisory content. 

Tim Bell
IQ Crew
Thursday July 31, 2008 6:31:57 PM
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If you can't find it, make it. Others out there are seeking the same solutions you are.
David Vellante
Thinkernetter
Thursday July 31, 2008 12:52:16 PM
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Ken,

Don't you think the likes of Amazon and Google are more adept at dealing with these types of threats? If anything I think these types of security risks favor these guys. 

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