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LA Win Gives Clouds a Boost

Written by Mary Jander
10/29/2009 8 comments
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So Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) has beaten Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT) and Novell Inc. (Nasdaq: NOVL) to win a $7.25 million contract to furnish cloud-service email to the city of Los Angeles, Calif. By next June, the city plans to replace a Novell Groupwise system for 30,000 employees with Google's service.

The email system will be set up and managed for the city by Computer Sciences Corp. (CSC) (NYSE: CSC).

While not huge by government contract standards, this award is significant for Google, since LA is one of the country's biggest cities -- and the win was against a key competitor.

The news is reminiscent of another recent win for Google with U.K. conglomerate Rentokil. And it has sparked fresh attention for one of the key issues IT managers face when it comes to cloud computing: security.

Companies are interested in cloud services, no doubt about it. In a recent poll on Internet Evolution, over 50 percent of 177 respondents said they were ready to start getting enterprise applications from Google and other cloud vendors:

Source: Internet Evolution. Results of poll of 177 respondents at press time.

But security remains a sticking point. Indeed, one of the reasons the LA City Council voted unanimously for the Google system this week was that Google amended the contract stipulating payment in the event of any email downtime or security breach. And at least one source reports that Google also has applied for certification by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) for compliance with the Federal Information Security Management Act (FISMA).

The FISMA guidelines are aimed at suppliers of all kinds dealing with federal government agencies whose data is sensitive. The issue of FISMA certification came up in the LA/Google contract because the city's police department will be part of the email system. Reportedly, that department is still ambivalent about putting sensitive data in Google's cloud -- though, as the record shows, the group is willing to give it a go.

At press time, Google did not respond to requests for comment on the agreement it made with the LA City Council and on the status of its FISMA certification. Requests for detail from the council itself also went unanswered.

But at least source says there were other demands from the council related to security: "The City Council had several other requirements as well -- the government data will be encrypted, it will be segregated, it will be stored in the U.S., and access will be limited," states Marc Rotenberg, president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a Washington, D.C.-based research group focused on information privacy.

Rotenberg was among the interested observers of LA's choice, since EPIC earlier this year petitioned the Federal Trade Commission to investigate the security of cloud computing services, including ones from Google.

In general, Rotenberg applauds the LA council for its diligence in demanding a separate amendment to the contract to cover security. "It's forward-looking on the part of the LA City Council to consider the risks of cloud computing and to establish incentives for secure implementations," he writes in an email to Internet Evolution. "More government agencies need to work through the privacy and security risks before moving to a cloud computing model for applications services."

Despite reservations, the LA council apparently thinks Google is ready to handle its email. And that sends a message to other enterprise users: Cloud services are at least as reliable as your in-house system. They're worth a try.

— Mary Jander, ThinkerNet Editor, Internet Evolution

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mathemagician
IQ Crew
Monday November 9, 2009 2:42:17 PM
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Interesting article and discussion about the LA Win.

Two things struck me as key to acceptance:

1. "...the government data will be encrypted, it will be segregated, it will be stored in the U.S., and access will be limited..."

2. FISMA certification

The second item will look good on paper, but the first one is the key set of requirements most businesses will want:

  • It is secured
  • It is segregated from other customers/businesses
  • It is physically restricted in access

One has to consider that a lot of sensitive and confidential information (not to mention Privacy Act-related information) reside in e-mails and the government entities have a higher standard to protect data than companies but most companies now realize that they should safeguard access and control of that information better.


Mary Jander
Thinkernetter
Thursday November 5, 2009 1:59:29 PM

The terminology is unfortunate, I think. It's like virtualization, another term that many IT pros have been uncomfortable with because it implies something that isn't tangible. And if something's not tangible, engineers think it's smoke and mirrors and, of course, not reliable.

Prediction: The term cloud will be replaced this year by other terms that are more solid and businesslike. I don't know what those may be, but we'll start to see them by midyear 2010. And then, a campaign against the term "cloud computing" will begin. Vendors will start to resist it, claiming to have moved beyond it to better things.

And it'll still be just like AOL (or similar).

artfrankmiami
IQ Crew
Monday November 2, 2009 1:58:52 PM



I think it's the marketing term of the "cloud" that makes me distrustful of it. It's all so new and all, supposedly new, and the pushing of it by Google and other vendors makes me even more distrustful of it. I only have a gmail account and a yahoo account because they insist I have one to access their other services (I guess those are clouds, too). But these accounts and those from my websites don't work for me because I have a Mac. Whenever I try to connect through Microsoft Entourage, I always get an error. But I check everything over with the name servers and even the IT guy did a check, too. I had everything correct but for some reason, it wouldn't work. One time on my laptop, we did get it to work for a while, but after a crash, it stopped working and hasn't worked again in three years. So all the e-mail accounts I have redirect to my AOL account, which I still pay the minimum for so I have emergency dial up access if needed and I still prefer the old AOL software, not the awful webmail. So I want my own e-mail on my own computer, none of this "cloud" stuff.

Oh, wait, isn't AOL technically a cloud service, just not with the trendy name and at least 15-20 years old? And I can say that at least the only good thing Sprint did was make their crappy phones AOL friendly, so I can access my e-mail from anywhere, even if it is a struggle without a QWERTY keyboard, and isn't that what all the fuss is about, anyway?

DHagar
Thinkernetter
Friday October 30, 2009 6:56:20 PM

This is BIG news, Mary.  You are absolutely correct, I think, in predicting that this will open the door for Google and wider use of Clouds.

I think private companies will watch and follow the lead, particularly if there are good results.

DHagar

Mary Jander
Thinkernetter
Friday October 30, 2009 3:57:12 PM

Kevin Crawford, the general manager of the IT department for the City of Los Angeles, just told me that the Washington, DC, case was a big factor in helping LA to decide in favor of Google.

Mary Jander
Thinkernetter
Friday October 30, 2009 2:37:26 PM

I don't know whether LA looked at DC; however, I intend to ask them when I speak with them later today. Thanks for this information!

phresh
Rank: Fire starter
Friday October 30, 2009 12:14:34 PM

My small non-profit has about 35 work stations and is firmly entrenched in MicroSoft business software. Email is an Exchange server, the network server is a Windows box, MS office is installed on all the computers.

I am the webmaster and web development project manager, so nearly from the moment I got here, I was moving the web properties to an offsite linux server. The point is; I have been pushing for the google apps concept for over a year now. Currently there is no effective way to colloborate, getting to your files from a remote location is problematic and unreliable, even checking email from another location is a difficult and not very robust process.

Lately, I have decided to leave well enough alone. I cannot convert enough management to see the benefits of cloud computing and I shudder at the thought of re-training all the employees to make use of the new system. I suspect this very same condition is a primary reason for MS to be so dominant in offices all over the world. Moving people away from their comfort levels is difficult, and time consuming.

A perfectly competent and professional person gets very upset when faced with using a new computer application. They are comfortable with what they have always used and upsetting that equilibrium causes workflow problems, frustration and eventually costs money.

I love the cloud idea, and feel that it is as secure as anything else out there. Using a system such as google apps would also save costs in software and hardware and in the long run, time. Maybe someday enough companies will take the road Los Angeles has gone down and realize there are very good choices out there beyond MS products and systems.

Allen_Falcon
IQ Crew
Thursday October 29, 2009 10:10:56 PM

While certainly smaller than LA, Washington DC has been running on Google Apps for some time now.  Whether this was a factor in their decision, I cannot say.  I have met DC staffers, however, that talk about "email is email", but the collaboration tools give them new ways to work with the public.  It will be interesting to see if LA uses Google Apps just for email, or takes advantage of the publication capabilities of Google Sites.

I would love to hear from anybody closer to the situation.

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