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Viacom, Google/YouTube Flap Hits Slippery Slope

Written by Will Richmond
7/9/2008 3 comments
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If you were off the grid last week celebrating the July 4th holiday, there were some important fireworks in the ongoing Viacom -- Google/YouTube litigation you may have missed -- even though you’re not likely to miss the aftershocks.

Judge Louis Stanton of the U.S. District Court in New York, who is presiding over the litigation, handed down an opinion that granted and denied some of what each party was requesting. The opinion is here. I have read it and below is my synopsis (remember I'm not a lawyer):

Table 1: The Latest Ruling
Viacom motion Opinion
1 Production of Google's search code to support Viacom's allegation that Google/YouTube modified its code to faciliate the location of Viacom's infringed content Denied
2 Production of Google/YouTube's "Video ID" code to support Viacom's allegation that Google/YouTube could have done more to control infringement Denied
3 Copies of all videos once available on YouTube, but later removed, to help Viacom identify which of them infringe their copyrights Granted
4 Production of YouTube's "Logging" database, which includes user's unique login ID, time each video was watched, IP address, and the video's identifier, all to help Viacom compare the attractiveness of allegedly infringed videos with that of non-infringed videos Granted
5 Production of "User" and "Mono" databases, which include information about all YouTube videos, including user-supplied title and keywords, public comments, whether it was flagged as inappropriate, whether administrative action was taken in response, whether user who posted it was terminated -- all to help Viacom, among other things, to find further evidence that Google/YouTube knew or should have known about the infringing activity Denied
6 Production of the Google Advertising Schema to help Viacom show what Google/YouTube could have known about how their ad revenues were associated with infringing content Denied
7 Production of Google Video Schema to help Viacom show that Google/YouTube were aware of infringements and had the ability to control these infringements Granted
8 Production of all copies of videos marked "Private" but which may have been shared with the public while evading detection by content owners, to help Viacom properly argue their construction of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act Denied, except to extent of providing "non-content" data about these videos

The fourth item is the one that has attracted the most attention and controversy. Privacy advocates are ballistic that granting access to YouTube’s database is a violation of users' privacy rights. A cottage industry of ridicule has broken out across the blogosphere regarding whether the 80-year-old Judge Stanton is sufficiently tech literate to grasp online privacy concerns. Many believe Viacom will use the data to sue individual users for viewing pirated copies of Viacom's programs on YouTube.

Like everyone else, I'm concerned about privacy and recognize that Judge Stanton has moved this case into some very slippery territory. Yet, at a higher level, I'm feeling some resentment toward Google and YouTube, especially given Google’s famous "do no evil" mantra.

There is no question that these companies knew pirated versions of key programs from Viacom (and others) were showing up on YouTube, yet months went by without them candidly addressing the issue and doing something sufficiently proactive about it. As a result, YouTube’s users -- courtesy of Judge Stanton’s decision -- have been dragged into this morass. That’s a real problem for everyone. I for one believe that when we use various Websites, there is an implicit and explicit understanding that our privacy will be aggressively safeguarded.

While sites have a right to defend their business practices based on their interpretation of the existing laws, they need to balance this by considering what impact their actions may ultimately have on their users. Each of us has our own interpretation of what Google/YouTube could have or should have done to protect Viacom's and others' copyrights. But Judge Stanton's decision shows that the extent of YouTube users' privacy protection is now entirely up to his interpretation.

— Will Richmond, Editor/Publisher, VideoNuze

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Mr. Roques
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Friday July 11, 2008 10:29:06 AM
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With the other issue of telecommunication spying and the law that grants immunity to telecom operators, I wonder why Google hasn't gotten some of that? I guess Verizon and AT&T have better lobbyists!
Gary W. Griffin
IQ Crew
Friday July 11, 2008 9:47:46 AM
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Will, you’ve hit upon a number of interesting points in you post.  I think the fundamental question is who owns what and how is it protected on the Internet.  Unfortunately, this issue will not be quickly or easily resolved. 

I think we’re going to see more of these issues pop up in the near future.  They will involve the legal system and will focus on issues of private vs. public domain.  Increasingly, judges will be expected to rule on such issues even when they don’t have the knowledge, experience and training they need to do so.  Such rulings will be made based on questions of whom owns what intellectual property and how is it protected in cyberspace?  Even more critical issues to be decided are around safety and security of all Internet users.   

There are now over 1 billion people on the Internet, and most of these are from countries other than the United States.  When you cross cultural and country boundaries, I think these issues get even more difficult.

As I said, this isn’t the last time you’ll see these issues surface.

Gary W. Griffin,  Ph.D.

Mary Jander
Thinkernetter
Thursday July 10, 2008 4:56:53 PM
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One aspect of the ruling I find interesting is the implication that users may be responsible for having trusted a Web site to keep their identities private, even if both the supplier and the user were aware of the potential for copyright infringement or some other lurking liability.

Another blogger, Andrew Keen, doesn't let anyone off the hook for this:

 http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=556&doc_id=155800

It seems like a moral as well as legal mess.

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