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Debate Continues Over Who Patrols 'Bad' Hosts

2/19/2009 23 comments
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When McColo, the nation's leading Website host for spammers and phishers, got shut down last November, the worldwide cyber-community watched in amazement as spam volume dropped by 72 percent for several weeks. That in turn has prompted ISPs and security researchers to try and devise new ways to extend that trend.

November's takedown was a team effort between Washington Post security writer Brian Krebs and a number of "upstream" Internet neighbors of McColo, such as Hurricane Electric, an ISP that had a desire to protect other Websites from the reverse denial-of-service attacks that were being launched from McColo servers. Since that time, spam and phishing have returned nearly to pre-McColo shutdown levels as organized botnet, spam, and phishing perpetrators like Rustock, Srizbi, Pushdo, and Mega-D have found new hosts from which to work.

What happpens now? Do patroling, reporting, and shutting down "bad" hosts become a cyber-community obligation? "Yes, I think it is our obligation," says Jart Armin of HostExploit.com, an Internet watchdog organization. "Some of us know how the hosting system works, and it is our responsibility to at least analyze what we see and publicize the bad and cybercriminal hosts. I am afraid that it is only by publicizing that the major Tier 1 international carriers act."

Dealing with bad hosts will figure highly on the agenda at the Anti-Spyware Coalition's convention in Washington, D.C., in May.

"It’s a difficult problem to address because there are so many layers of organizations and individuals involved in the process," says Maxim Weinstein, manager for StopBadware, who will be speaking at the May conference. "There are domain registrars, hosting companies, resellers, Website owners, law enforcement, independent security researchers, and companies involved in phishing attacks. All of these are involved in these ecosystems -- and that's not even counting the criminals!"

The criminal side is just as murky.

The most common issue is hosting companies whose only priority is selling hosting and accounts. "They are so busy doing this that there often is not much economic incentive to monitor and take down sites for malware or phishing," Weinstein explains. "These hosts allow things to happen and quickly get a reputation for failure to police. Naturally, the criminals all talk to each other, saying, 'Hey, there's this hosting company that doesn't do anything.' " Such was the case with McColo -- and the reason why the McColo takedown had such impact.

There is always that impulse to push for laws and regulations, but Congress up to now has demonstrated interest in keeping the Internet "open," and relatively free of constraints. "Getting a bill in front of Congress would require some very intelligent drafting," says attorney David Nance of Nance Group, an Internet law practice. "If you have the credibility and can explain the bill, you have a better chance of getting it passed."

Of course, there are also financial considerations behind any regulatory measures -- and there likely would also need to be a perception in Congress and other places that regulating Internet hosts and associated activities would be in the public interest. And that's not a legislative case anyone in Congress has been willing to make... yet.

Some experts and organizations within the Internet ecosystem believe the best approach to the problem is through industry self-regulation. "Whether or not there is legislation one day, we as an industry need to set expectations and develop clear practices and processes," Weinstein argues. "If one of us knows about a site, and there is a straightforward process for capturing information and reporting it, it makes it that much easier to monitor host Internet activity."

The jury is still out as to whether any colloquium or forum can develop best practices to combat bad hosts, or if there's even sufficient, collective will in the industry to do so. "Some argue that we should leave hosts alone, and just study them," says Armin, but that raises moral and pragmatic questions.

"For the moral, how can we stand by and allow even more people to get ripped off? The pragmatic side is simple. The longer we leave them alone, the stronger and richer they get," Armin says. "A few of us are fairly certain the criminals have used some of the substantial earnings to defend their positions and reinvest into the legitimate serving and carrier industry."

— Mary E. Shacklett, President, Transworld Data

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Mary E. Shacklett
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Wednesday March 24, 2010 8:45:31 AM
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That's exactly right, Mike.

In fact, if we each individually took care of what we are supposed to do, I've no doubt that it would positively influence spam  control.

 

Mary

mikesanders
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Tuesday March 23, 2010 7:06:27 PM
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That is correct Mary but also I think everyone has to face up to the collective responsibility we all have in securing the internet instead of just passing the buck. Great read, thanks!

 

Mike from Remove Spyware

Mary E. Shacklett
Thinkernetter
Wednesday February 25, 2009 1:53:21 PM
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...a very good point.

 

Most users do not update their spam filters, which just compounds the problem.

 

Mary 

nasimson
Thinkernetter
Tuesday February 24, 2009 11:19:07 PM
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Much of the rise in SPAM can be attributed to the behavior of users like us. It continues to spread just because we continue to tolerate it. Most email providers like Gmail now have given the users the control to mark incoming emails as spam. If users like us use it proactively, it will improve the performance of their spam filters.
Most users just ignore it. They do not bother to mark spam thinking that since the mail is already in, whats the use. But this increases the volume of incoming spam in future.

I remember when I moved from @Hotmail.com, @Softhome.net & @yahoo.com to @Gmail, one of the motivations was to avoid those 10 spam emails among the two useful ones that I got daily. So spam filtering can be a good competitive advantage for email providers. And this competitive advantage can be built by encouraging the existing users to mark spam which would then improve the capability of the spam filter.
Lance Alberto
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Monday February 23, 2009 3:08:21 AM
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I suppose that the Congress we are talking about here is the US Congress and I do hope that they would not change that "hands off" policy. If the time would come for a "legislative body" to come in and make the rules related to spam, I'd say that an international body should do it and not just one country's Congress so that it could be more acceptable to more people. The US Congress doing it "alone" might be construed as an American "colonization" of the cyberspace.

And that would surely have a bad effect on the fight against spam and other cybercrimes.

hounhosp
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Sunday February 22, 2009 8:55:35 PM
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Hi Mary,

The question is who will be "the chosen one" that could be able to implement the version of the govt's "do not call" list. I doubt if this will ever work. We have to face the truth as you said; spams can just be reduced, but they could never be stopped. I recognize that successful results are being achieved by email accounts providers such as Yahoo. Some months ago the number of spams I used to receive was about 2000 at a time. Today they are about 200. You can notice the progress.

Mary E. Shacklett
Thinkernetter
Sunday February 22, 2009 8:18:15 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't see an imminent end to spam.  

It would be nice to come up with a spam version of the govt's "do not call"
list for telemarketing calls!

 

Mary

Mary E. Shacklett
Thinkernetter
Saturday February 21, 2009 12:45:01 PM
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It appears that the present direction is to make "cyber guardian angels" of virtually everyone in the industry who is in a position to do something.

 

Mary

Mary E. Shacklett
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Saturday February 21, 2009 12:42:34 PM
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As a a matter of policy, Congress has thus far maintained a "hands off" position concerning the Internet--and a stance that the Internet should be considered a "neutral" purveyor of information. I don't see this changing--although there could be discussions if  there is so much spam choking networks that broadband performance degrades.

 

Mary 

Mary E. Shacklett
Thinkernetter
Saturday February 21, 2009 12:38:15 PM
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There is going to be a conference on this in May.

I can envision it taking the shape of a kind of "standards" committee for the industry that sets forth guidelines and procedures for reporting on "bad hosts. As you say, there will need to be a mechanism to forward the information somewhere so that the appropriate people can step in. The escalation structure has yet to be determined.

 

Mary

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