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Does Anyone Care About Privacy Anymore?

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Does Anyone Care About Privacy Any More?

In an age where so many people (mostly young people) have Websites, blogs, Facebook (Nasdaq: FB) accounts, and MySpace pages with all their personal details and innermost thoughts recorded in them -- not to mention Flickr accounts and Facebook albums with photos of them doing virtually anything you can think of (and some things you can't, or don't want to) -- has the concept of personal privacy completely disappeared?

And if so, is that something we should be concerned about, or is it just the inevitable way that society is evolving?

Facebook is at the center of many of these kinds of discussions, if only because it is the social network that everyone likes to talk about, the one with the (theoretical) $15 billion market capitalization, thanks to an investment by Microsoft.

But the same questions apply to Flickr, MySpace, Bebo, and a dozen other social-networking or social-media tools -- not to mention a whole new brand of privacy-obliterating tools, thanks to the "life-casting" experiments of Justin.tv and iJustine.tv, in which the "stars" wear hat-mounted Webcams that film their entire lives and stream the video to Web viewers everywhere.

This latter phenomenon isn't new, of course. University of Toronto professor Steve Mann has been experimenting with wearable video cameras and other technology for almost 20 years now, and there were a number of popular Webcam stars in the early days of the Web, including a site called Jennicam, which featured a university student named Jennifer whose Webcam was on 24/7 and drew tens of thousands of visitors a day to watch her sleeping, eating, getting dressed, having sex, and so on.

That kind of behavior was seen by many -- quite rightly -- as an extreme version of digital exhibitionism. But one of the reasons it was extreme was simply that no one had ever done it before, in part because the technology didn't exist. Now, video cameras are so small and lightweight that it's possible to build them into glasses and wear them without even noticing. And the battery packs and video cartridges that Steve Mann used are no longer necessary.

If you want to leave a video camera on all the time, or stream it to whoever wants to watch, high-speed Internet makes that very easy to do. And the ubiquitous cellphone camera makes it even easier to take photos or videos of people who may or may not know they are being photographed -- such as the Hollywood starlet who jumped on a counter at a fast-food outlet in Toronto not so long ago and found her exploits on YouTube within a matter of hours.

YouTube Inc. is a big part of this equation, of course. Young people now engage in all kinds of dangerous and/or hilarious stunts and pranks, in part because they want to upload their performance to YouTube, which has become the America's Funniest Home Videos of the Internet age. The difference is that, instead of only a few dozen videos making it to the program, YouTube has a virtually unlimited number of channels and viewers.

"Stars" such as Tay Zonday, a young singer with an unusual vocal style who recently filmed a Dr. Pepper commercial, as well as Ysabella Brave and Esmee Denters, have come out of nowhere thanks to YouTube. Comedians who got their start by filming their friends doing goofy stunts are getting TV development deals with major studios.

A woman who goes by the name Tila Tequila got her start by making a lot of MySpace "friends" and now stars in a TV dating show based around the topic of her bisexuality, in which she agrees to choose a date from either sex at the end of the program.

With that kind of incentive, it's not surprising that certain people might be willing to dispense with their personal privacy. But it's not just YouTube, and it's not just people who want to become "stars" in some sense. Although the evidence is still largely anecdotal, there appears to be a noticeable decline of interest in protecting one's personal space or information among young people in the 14-to-25 demographic.

Facebook users happily upload photos of themselves in compromising positions, even when they know that those photos could show up just about anywhere. Young women allow complete strangers to watch them on Webcams, or "friend" them on MySpace. Is this just a short-term lack of sense on the part of young people, one that they will later regret? Or is it a change in the way that people think about living their lives online? I'm not sure anyone knows. But it certainly is fascinating to watch (no pun intended).

In case you think that all hope is lost, take heart: the recent furor over Facebook's "Beacon" feature -- in which the site tracks your behavior through a Web browser cookie file, and then broadcasts things you have bought or sites you have visited to your friends through your Facebook "news feed" -- shows that at least some people aren't prepared to give up all of their privacy just yet.

Of course, most of the people who complained were probably over 25 years old...

— Mathew Ingram, Technology writer for The Globe and Mail in Canada

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homesteadtraders
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Tuesday December 18, 2007 5:33:22 PM
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I also believe that people still want their privacy. It is one thing to post things about yourself on the internet, but quite different for someone else to do something that could compromise you.

For example, private information being kept on "secure" systems. Now, how many lap tops, discs and such have we seen lost or stolen, with data such as client SS#'s kept on them. Hve these companies not yet learned?

If I put my SS# number on the internet, then I have opened the door myself to ID theft. And, it is my right to be that stupid if I want to had that info out to strangers on myself. But as I do not put such information on line, or even store in in my computer, I don't need some big corporation exposing me to it instead, without my permission. Then, when information HAS been compromised due to their mistakes, what do we get but, "oh...so sorry...we'll give you free credit monitoring for a year". And this is supposed to make us feel better and more trusting to them how, again?

With the sloppiness that corporations are showing in keeping information safe, I do believe that people are getting more protective of their privacy. Also, as Big Brother figures he should be snooping and tracking more, this is also starting to get some riled.

I do think at some point, many will say enough.

 

Paul Whyte
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Saturday December 8, 2007 2:34:57 PM
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It's really fascinates me how the internet has make it so easy and comfortable for people to share their privacy in the most depicable manner.May be it's all part of the 'culture shock 'for me. I came from a cultural set up where privacy is revered in unspeakable measure and my mind was blown up to see on the internet how people can go to every height to share their privacy. I'm of the opinion that though it;s a cultural issue,the internet has made it possible for people who longs to become 'self-style' celebrities.I often asked myself what purpose does all these extreme display of one's private life on the internet served if not to gain an unfair recognition?

Does this self-style portrait on the internet obliged us to think that people are no longer interested in privacy?I certainly would take the contrary on the basis that privacy is something ingrained in everyman's life.Therefore irregardless of what a minority section will do on the internet to make us believe that privacy has been lost,i'm firmly of the view that its still has a place in the heart of 21st century generation.

kurniawan
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Friday December 7, 2007 1:36:14 AM
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Hi,

our "old" notion of privacy is, I belief, based on the assumption of physical space. Therefore, the more privacy-concerned someone, the more space s/he needs and guards against outsider. In our "old world" the same principle applies to our way of fencing the house, locking the doors, standing inside the lift, sitting in the waiting room, and many others ...

Yet, this cyberspace created by networked computer is not, and will never be, a physical space. Our existence does not necessitate our physical presence, we can create our identity/ies as many as we feel like to simultaneously, distance is measured more by "network distance" and not by metrical system, etc. In a nutshell, what I want to say is that we need to redefine what we mean by "self", "privacy", "identity", including "exhibitionism".

Any comment "new world" species? 

Alla Veselova
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Wednesday December 5, 2007 1:18:15 PM
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Dear sir,

one more comment from a specimen of "the species" you are talking about. Let me say a few words in support of Facebook and its users. I do use it to communicate with my friends, it's easier for me to send them a message once in a while than to use e-mail. Everybody is busy nowdays, but on Facebook you can get an idea what's going on in your friend's life, logging in at the end of the day (or whenever). You can watch his or her posted photos and videos and see what new places or people he's/she's seen. I've got around 50 friends on Facebook, none of them have pictures in their profiles where they did sommething inappropriate, the most "offensive" of them show them partying or kissing/hugging somebody in a friendly (sometimes romantic) manner. Speaking about the pictures, it's just convenient - you don't have to send your pictures over to your friends again and again, it's just enough for them to come to your Facebook profile. It matters much to me as I'm being far from Russia were I'm from at present. And the fact, that almost all profiles on Facebook are closed now, I mean you can view somebody's profile only if he/she allowed you to proves that the majority does care about privacy...And the way a person creates his on-line personality depends not on age, or internet technologies but on the level of his intelligence  moral values and family upbringing..

hounhosp
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Wednesday December 5, 2007 12:46:45 PM
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"Is this just a short-term lack of sense on the part of young people, one that they will later regret?"

Some will surely regret as with the case of Jennicam where the cam star Jennifer Kaye Ringley seems to be tired of her past digital exhibitionism life. She currently works as a computer programmer (far from the online croud)in Sacramento, and intends to remain out of the public eye. "I really am enjoying my privacy now. I don't have a web page; I don't have a MySpace page. It's a completely different feeling, and I think I'm enjoying it."

Some will not regret because, they agree to disclose their privacy for personal reasons ( money, the prospect of being fameous, meet friends...) and they enjoy it.

Does anyone care about privacy anymore? Yes I do care.  

Many others are caring too. The case of Facebook's "Beacon"  is a good example of how people are still caring obout their privacy (despite some deceitful evidence).

Elisa Lucia Cundiff
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It was a little misleading to imply that I would Facebook any potential employer. This specific person and I had a lengthy conversation about the company (mostly about Beacon) and it was therefore sort of contextual.

My thoughts then and since -

1. Beacon is annoying because it turns targeted advertising into forced personal bilboarding. (some kids pay tons of cash to wear logos across their chest, so who knows, it may catch on - I'm just saying it shouldn't be forced).

2. Also, I don't like that Facebook traces people after they have left the site (that's a bit too much even for me).

3. Beacon should focus more on advertising targeted based on people's declared specified interests. Facebook has an insane amount of data on their customers declared personal interests and should focus more on that.

And I do think some forms of internet privacy invasions are frightening and unacceptable. Like authoritarian regimes hunting down dissenters etc. But this represents a completely different class of problem then the social openness that my generation embraces. It is a mistake to muddle the two together. Yes, the internet is responsible for both but they are not one and the same

Beacon will evolve and change but that was expected anyway.

And I know what you mean about the facebook bandwagon, Charles. My entire family is on.

charles.betz
Researcher
Wednesday December 5, 2007 7:49:50 AM
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I totally agree with you. I'm also amazed at the number of professors and lab heads jumping on the facebook train. Somehow this discussion reminds me of open vs. closed source software development, if you know what I mean.
experiences
IQ Crew
Wednesday December 5, 2007 6:07:14 AM
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Hello Mathew 

Whichever generation you may consider, no one wants their family space spilling over into the professional space. Or do they?

I have a hypothesis,

a. people put up pictures expecting to share with a limited circle of friends. the logic being that "if i havent shared the id with others , who would see". The understanding of tags,  privacy settings itself is suspect. I dont think there is enough understanding for these issues. The result privacy is compromised.

b. From a professional standpoint, i remember one of the air crew getting into trouble with her company for some personal postings in her blog.

c. If there are vulnerable pcs with unpatched windows flaws, non updated virus signatures it is mostly because of ignorance. The same holds true for privacy. 

After all, I am sure no one wants their privacy or pc compromised, yet that happens. It is knowledge of actions and their implications that will  help people.

  

Uriah
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Wednesday December 5, 2007 2:08:47 AM
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Hi Elisa,

Thanks for your enlightening comments.

As someone who remembers seeing the Six Million Dollar Man in it's first broadcast run in prime time (not reruns), I can understand that you don't care if a prospective employer sees you drink in Facebook.  Employers assume th 97% of college students get drunk. And it's  you putting up the pictures of yourself.

But what do you find Facebook's Beacon Ad Program, which broadcasts selected product purchases to your Facebook friends? I'm interested in you thoughts and feelings of that ad program.

Thanks in advance for your time and effort,

Uriah Av-Ron

Mathew Ingram
Thinkernetter
Tuesday December 4, 2007 10:59:56 PM
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Thanks for your comment, Elisa.  It's always nice to hear from a live specimen of the species whose behaviour one is trying to describe  :-)
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