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Beware Google's Rhetoric on Web Freedom

Written by Nicole Ferraro
4/17/2012 29 comments
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Web freedom is at serious risk. And Google's Sergey Brin knows just who to blame.

In a discussion with the Guardian, Brin said he's more worried than ever about the future of openness on the Web, and he pointed fingers at several entities putting freedom at risk. Repressive regimes, for example. The US government. Facebook and Apple.

As the Guardian points out about Brin's comments:

The threat to the freedom of the internet comes, he claims, from a combination of governments increasingly trying to control access and communication by their citizens, the entertainment industry's attempts to crack down on piracy, and the rise of "restrictive" walled gardens such as Facebook and Apple, which tightly control what software can be released on their platforms.

Brin has some points here, and there's no doubt that the open Web is in danger on multiple fronts. But it's troubling that this warning is coming from Google -- the same Google that is seeking control of every Web process one can think of. (The same Google with this person as its chairman...)

Google, while still strong, has a lot to lose in the battle for the future of the Web. Facebook and Apple are natural competitors and digital thorns in its side. Controlled access hinders Google's ability to do successful business in places like China. Piracy crackdowns would seriously harm Google's ability to host content.

Now, please don't mistake my comments for those uttered by Cary Sherman, the RIAA chairman, who accused Google, Wikipedia, and basically everyone except SOPA supporters of tricking Web users into opposing that lethal legislation. Google et al didn't misinform us that SOPA was bad and dangerous news. Those companies were right and played an important part in January to put a stop to destructive legislation that the average Web user may not have otherwise known about.

What is concerning, though, is that it's clear Google sees an opportunity now to ride that wave and turn it in its own favor. It's not just SOPA that was bad, it's all things that don't jive with Google's business strategy (which, these days, seems to be "take over everything"). As Brin told the Guardian about Facebook, "You have to play by their rules, which are really restrictive."

Well, boo hoo. Those sure are interesting words coming from the founder of a company that just changed its privacy policy so that users are forced to be one identity across all of its sites (the better to target you, my dear!). And it's laughable hearing this from Brin, seeing as Google recently started using aggressive tactics to force users onto its own social network.

Or as one commenter on the Guardian wrote:

Google playing the open and free card is highly cynical. Google's view is that it's great to be open as long as you are logged into a Google account where your web browsing behavior is efficiently tracked under one login and password, for the benefit of their advertising business.

If Google's chief Internet evangelist Vint Cerf's recent request for people to "start something" in the name of Web freedom is any indication, we can probably expect more to come from Google in terms of "warnings" about the future. And while those warnings may be within reason, when they're coming from the company that controls so much of the Web and seeks to control more, it's crucial to read between the lines.

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Nicole Ferraro
IQ Crew
Wednesday April 18, 2012 2:35:39 PM
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Well thank you, DHagar! We're glad you feel that way!

Nicole Ferraro
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Wednesday April 18, 2012 2:35:13 PM
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Nice perspective, Brian. And the fact is most of the time people will swallow anything the higher ups at Google say. I'll continue to pick them apart, but many are happy to fall in line and repeat the Google rhetoric.

DHagar
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Wednesday April 18, 2012 12:31:34 PM
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You are probably right, Bolingbroke, we like to be comfortable.

This increasingly shows the value of sites such as IE as a source of information that enables us to make informed choices to protect our individual freedoms.  The ability to make choices based on good information is key.

DHagar

Bolingbroke
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Wednesday April 18, 2012 12:11:08 PM
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A full spectrum of opinion from throwing drivers licenses and social security cards into the bonfire to why worry if you have nothing to hide.  

DHagar writes, "I wonder how long they think the public can be fooled?"

Pretty much forever I think. "Outside of a Small Circle of Friends" here at IE I doubt if there are many out there donning their Vendetta masks and converging onto Mountain View.

From what I know I think most people are very social animals and love the idea of joining the hive.

(Now I think I've lost my place on this list of search engines. Is AltaVista next or maybe Lycos?)

 

 

Mary Jander
Thinkernetter
Wednesday April 18, 2012 11:49:56 AM
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Good point about Google being an enterprise, Kim. People forget that the big Internet companies follow the capitalistic road; profit is the underlying motive, subjecting everything else. It's the job of the law to intervene on the people's behalf.

But there is a lot of conflict about who is acting in the public interest.

ScreenWriter
Rank: Cave Painter
Wednesday April 18, 2012 10:52:16 AM
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If we had wide-open competition, then such oxymoronic involuntary agreements might be reasonable. But properly, we should be able to negotiate, to say, I agree to this but not that; you can use this information for 48 hours for sys admin purposes, but not that or that or that information at all, and this you can keep for up to a week...
ScreenWriter
Rank: Cave Painter
Wednesday April 18, 2012 10:39:16 AM
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Actually, I give it only 1 frown (on a 5 smiles to 5 frowns scale) on my proposed bills ratings page.

IOW, it's not nearly as bad as Google, or Yahoo!... abuses, and certainly not as bad as the recently signed domestic warrantless searches via UAVs bill. (Of course, next, they're going to enact felony penalties for knocking down the trespassing unconstitutional evil gadgets.)

ScreenWriter
Rank: Cave Painter
Wednesday April 18, 2012 10:29:26 AM
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And yet, Google's, and FB's, and Friendster's, and Grouply's, and Yahoo!'s, and state governments', and federal governments'... privacy violations must be combatted. These abuses must be turned around.

Personal private information like name and address, let alone Socialist Insecurity Numbers are NOT "public records", regardless of what corrupt government functionaries claim. A big part of the problem is that not enough people are engaged in actively defending our privacy.

When FERPA and PA1974 were enacted it wasn't a month before a liberty "permit" (driver licenses, i.e. a violation of the federal and every state constitution I've ever examined!) were explicitly exempted, and then the corrupt judges started hacking away, rendering both acts null without them actually being repealed. It was all done with legalistic sleight of hand:

Yes, we know that this state university is an agency of the state government, but I'm not going to consider it to be a government agency when looking at this bill aimed at reducing privacy violations by government agencies; but I am going to consider it to be a government agency when considering whether the chief perpetrators have "official immunity"... You get the idea.

P.S. This web interface for these comments is seriously defective! Open it up! Give us space to be able to see at least 10 lines (instead of 2) and maybe room for more than 30 characters across, FCOL! I can't even seen all of a simple sentence the way it is, so forget about checking grammar and spelling.

Nicole Ferraro
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Wednesday April 18, 2012 10:20:45 AM
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Indeed, ScreenWriter. What's your take on Cispa? We've put up a poll about it.

Nicole Ferraro
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Wednesday April 18, 2012 10:19:49 AM
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Your points are all valid, dlavie, but a couple of things.

Re: "Google is a voluntary freebie, you can choose not to use it."

That is factually accurate. But realistically, can people not use anything run by Google today without finding themselves seriously out of the loop or disadvantaged?

And about privacy, you're right that our private lives have been eroding for a long time. But now we live in a world where all of that information is online and accessible, in many cases it's searchable.

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