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Written by Kim Davis
11/3/2011 14 comments
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Google doesn't get social -- that's the message we always hear. But my goodness, it's trying.

Take, for example, the hugely popular but taking-forever-to-monetize YouTube. It has long had a social element, with users able to exchange messages, comment on videos, share them, and "Like" them through a Facebook account. However, I think it's safe to say the social element on YouTube is not much fun. Unmoderated chains of comments are packed with snark and flaming, and the site generally makes sociopaths feel comfortable and welcome.

We go there not for the company, but for "auto-tuning" the news, violent babies, and Justin Bieber videos. Right? Google clearly thinks YouTube has so much more to offer. You can kind of see why. Current statistics show 3 billion videos viewed on YouTube every day. That's over a trillion (US) views per year.

Last year, Google expected YouTube to show a profit for the first time. That looks like a business model that could use a little tweaking.

Meanwhile, Google+ got off to such a bully start this summer, allegedly startling Facebook into removing its friend exporter software, as people vied for the limited number of invitations to the new social paradise. The exodus of Facebook users has yet to take place, of course, and no matter how clean and swanky Google+'s interface, there never seems to be anything happening there. As Maria Korolov explained recently, it's not yet clear that anything about Google+ is so unique as to make it essential.

Nothing to lose, perhaps, from smashing its two somewhat social services together and hoping to see some sparks. That task has fallen into the lap of Ron Gorodetzky, an early Digg staff member who went on to cofound the social video startup Fflick, since sold to YouTube, which has done nothing with it yet.

Hosting original content was not Fflick's raison d'etre -- it was primarily an aggregator site for social discussion of movies, especially Tweets. How does that make Gorodetzky a match for the job? Reading between the lines of the very limited information he divulged in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Gorodetzky seems to see sharing as the basis for a more sociable experience on YouTube.

For anyone who is not a regular user, it's worth noting that YouTube is home to hordes of anonymous users, apparently all very angry. Having handles -- i.e., anonymity -- is the norm both for those who upload videos and those who make grouchy and often profane comments on them. It celebrates the worst characteristics of an anonymous, unmoderated chat forum.

I guess Gorodetzky hopes to put a stop to that, and though he has his work cut out, it's easy to see how integrating Google+ features can help. It will make it much easier to share your own video content, or content you enjoyed, with circles of friends or acquaintances. It can only improve the civility of the discourse, and though Google+'s puritanical approach to personal identity is ultimately unworkable, discouraging anonymity might reduce the incidence of "video rage."

I don't see how this helps YouTube's bottom line. After all, this isn't going to make any of us more likely to watch the ads. But at least it might restore a detectable heartbeat to Google+.

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Nicole Ferraro
IQ Crew
Tuesday November 8, 2011 3:34:43 PM
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Toothpaste?! That's what Google is going for? Making products as easy to use as toothpaste? Wow.

Brain-dead is right...

Mashka
Researcher
Saturday November 5, 2011 10:07:30 AM
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we can critisize and youtube, but untill we have a free access we don't really realize how  great these tools are. and how often we use them in everyday life. I  have moved to China recently, and while you guys, are critisizing Youtube, I really want to have just an access:)

slfisher
Thinkernetter
Saturday November 5, 2011 8:52:58 AM
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some of them are really beyond the pale, making sexist and offensive comments about videos posted by and of children, that kind of thing. I know some people who actually have felt threatened -- whether that's rational or not -- by some of the stuff posted on their kids' videos.

In general, the Internet needs to figure out how it wants to deal with the whole commenting thing. People who can be anonymous are going to be assholes. That's just all there is to it. At the same time, it's important to a free society that people have the ability to be anonymous. So I'm not sure how to handle it. Best guess I can come up with is some sort of "known alias," where we may not know who BuckyBoy is but he always posts as BuckyBoy and we know what we can expect from him. 

The Dream Chaser
Rank: Cyborg
Friday November 4, 2011 3:57:19 PM
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the new interface is terrible

“It’s supereasy. It’s like learning to use toothpaste, at Google and all these places, we make technology as brain-dead easy to use as possible." Alan Eagle - Executive Communications Google.

Partially explains the new "toothpaste" look Googles shooting for.

Kim Davis
Thinkernetter
Friday November 4, 2011 3:25:10 PM
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There's a high standard here, and YouTube really is at the other end of the spectrum.  There are grossly offensive threads attached to quite innocent, mainstream videos.

Incidentally, the YouTube interface on Google+ seems to work pretty well;  I am still putting off adopting the new Gmail interface, but I don't suppose it will remain optional much longer.

Nicole Ferraro
IQ Crew
Friday November 4, 2011 3:10:01 PM
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Not to toot our own horn (well, fine, toot toot), but that's what I think makes IE so special. Our conversations are always high-level, always respectful and civil, always engaging... We're fortunate to have a community like this one.

Nicole Ferraro
IQ Crew
Friday November 4, 2011 3:08:36 PM
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I hope this works better with Google+ than it does with Gmail. Most of the time when people email me videos, a great little video window appears in the email itself, but then when I try to watch it an error message pops up saying I have to go watch it on YouTube. We shall see.

Speaking of Gmail (not that this is on topic) the new interface is terrible.

The Dream Chaser
Rank: Cyborg
Friday November 4, 2011 2:18:52 PM
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The Internet has ignored lack of civility in on line discourse for a long time now.  Comments (visitors) have been a major driving force in the growth of the Internet and people like to frequent websites where they can say anything they want and get away with it.  Shooting the sh*t is still one of humanities favorite pastimes. 

The main problem still with all this new "freedom" is the Internet (Web 2.0) has become a massive, incoherent conversation.  And the other problem is players like Google and Facebook have the power and economic clout to dominate the publicity landscape and the ability to keep convincing vulnerable people life isn't worth living unless your engaged in some kind of social this or that every second of your life, and keeping everyone updated as to your whereabouts, what you had for lunch, what kind of beer your drinking, or hairspray your using, is the ultimate in self realization and achievement.

Unless one knows how to find stuff other people don't know exists, Social Media is the only option I guess.

jabailo
IQ Crew
Friday November 4, 2011 1:50:54 PM
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Yes, it's really a comment about the "commoditization" of static video entertainment.

Think of the number of hours spent in gaming and social media environments.

Contrast that with the number of hours spent viewing static videos: Netflix, YouTube and so on.

People in the 21st century see gaming and social media as really valuable "entertainments" whereas there is such a surplus of movies, tv shows (the Long Tail) that it's hard to charge a price without being undercut by Free as Chris Anderson describes in his 2009 book:

Free: The Future of a Radical Price

http://www.amazon.com/Free-Future-Radical-Chris-Anderson/dp/1401322905

Kim Davis
Thinkernetter
Friday November 4, 2011 1:39:34 PM
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Well, that was quick.  Just yesterday, a YouTube player showed up on your Google+ page.  Top right.  It's actually a pretty neat interface, with a search machine sliding out when you point at the button, and your selection appearing in a pop up window.  From there, of course, you can hit "watch on YouTube" if you prefer.

What I can't yet see are built-in ways to comment, share or recommend from Google+. Maybe still to come.

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