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Startups Shed Staff While Compensating Users

Written by Nicole Ferraro
10/28/2008 18 comments
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In a recent ThinkerNet blog post, Andrew Keen, author of The Cult of the Amateur, asserted that the "free" Web 2.0 economy would start to come to a close, as job-endangered citizens would stop giving their knowledge services away to sites like Wikipedia that don't compensate them. Instead, he says, the economic situation will "result in the rise of online media businesses that reward their contributors with cash" (e.g., Mahalo over Wikipedia; Hulu over YouTube; etc.).

Sounds good to me. But what happens when the startups doing the handouts are responsible for the layoffs?

One startup on both sides of the fence is Helium.com, a citizen journalism site. After receiving $17 million in funding, Helium -- which rewards its contributing writers with cash -- cut loose 30 percent of its staff.

Helium's articles are written and ranked by its community members. However, CEO Mark Ranalli calls the site a "meritocracy" rather than a "democracy" because the system tells users which articles to rate based on their areas of expertise -- unlike a site where a user could rate any article and possibly game the system. 

Helium compensates its contributors in two ways: via sharing ad revenue, which Ranalli says rewards writers with tens to hundreds of dollars each month; and via writing for its "freelance marketplace," where publishers post story topics and price points. Writers making money from this model share 20 percent of their revenues with Helium.

In a recent interview with Internet Evolution, Ranalli said that his company wasn't profitable yet. But "the underlying model is working," he claimed, even though today the company shed 30 percent of its staff to compensate for deteriorating ad revenues.

On a similar note, last week, human-powered search site Mahalo, which also rewards users for their contributions, laid off 10 percent of its staff. These were revealed in a blog by the site's founder, Jason Calacanis, who attributed them to an advertising climate which "for the next two years will be severely depressed."

Layoffs are part of the process, especially in a time of financial turmoil. But these particular layoffs are a tad paradoxical to Keen's overall point that a bad job market will demand that Web startups compensate their users. While the good news is users are starting to get rewarded for their tireless efforts, the bad news is, in turn, people with previously steady jobs are getting fired.

So while some Web 2.0 startups might wise up to the need to compensate their users, without a solid business model, it might be at the cost of employing a staff.

— Nicole Ferraro, Site Editor, Internet Evolution

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Murugan
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Sunday November 30, 2008 7:37:49 PM
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Many of these new startups if not all are making attempts increating new business models and as with everything; there will be ups anddowns.

No one wants layoffs and perhaps, it would be prudent toreview their performance to the year to determine how to best avoid or at leastmitigate these situations for the future.

Nevertheless, it is exciting to see startups furnishingtheir site’s content from viewers like us.

Nicole Ferraro
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Wednesday October 29, 2008 11:37:36 PM
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You raise a lot of good points, jabailo, and I appreciate you answering all of my questions even though you only intended to ask some of your own!

It's an interesting argument because what you attribute as the greatest problem with the Internet, the other sect of the culture considers its greatest asset: that people come together online to create and share content without asking for anything in return.

But the idea that many have that all of this "free" content is going to turn the world of paid media on its head, it seems, is kind of coming to a crash as content creators can't seem to pull in the cash they need through the free/ad-supported model. And if we are going to start paying for content, that call for "quality writing" and "quality editing" will have to be more than just the pipe dream it seems to be now -- or at least when taking a glance at the blogosphere.

Thanks for providing your perspective here.

Lance Alberto
IQ Crew
Wednesday October 29, 2008 8:48:59 PM
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Yes there are a lot of people out there who simply wish to contribute what they know and what they have to the ever growing cyber literature and possibly commerce without thinking that their contribution could in fact earn them something. They only see the cyber space as an opportunity to share ideas and proposals perhaps but not as an opportunity to earn until they see some website inviting interested people to write for a fee (but somehow they  have to register and pay some amount first to be able to earn).

 

 

jabailo
IQ Crew
Wednesday October 29, 2008 2:52:04 PM
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 Should all content sites have subscriptions?

I think the problem with subscriptions is that people will become saturated rather quickly.   Right now I pay for Netflix and Rhapsody...it bugs when a film or song is not on their database and I have to purchase an external source (like a rare Cd).  So, the idea that someone will be willing to go around to tens of web sites and subscribe seems not likely.

Should we be paying to use search engines

No, the search engines should be paying content writers.   Google is the greatest seller of unpaid labor in the world!  They "leverage" off the backs of the toiling writers and artists who created the web so that it can be presented through their "portal".  

and to watch videos and to read blogs?

I do pay to watch videos as a Netflix subscriber.  I feel that the $24 a month I pay for 4 dvds and unlimited streaming is very reasonable for the delivery.   

Yet, at the same time, I "consume" the web far more frequently and pay nothing!  At the same time I spend far more time contributing to the web and get no monetary reward!

Right now the Fed is telling banks -- give the money away!   It's time for the money supply to meet the 21st century economy.   The "Web" has basically been an underground economy where people barter and sell ideas because it hasn't been tied into the money supply.

 One good thing is that the cost of almost all traditional goods could come crashing down: housing, cars, oil, energy.  That leaves more money for us to buy and sell text and content.  So, I'm hopeful...

Do you think these models would actually work on the Internet?

Media has always been driven by sales -- whether its a cable subscription or tv advertising or buying a movie ticket.  It's only the vast archive of text media on the Internet that has been created with backbreaking labor and yet is given away for free.  Yet, the Internet can consume 40 hours of the "average" person's week!

What sort of model do you see reasonable?

Oh, you want an answer?   Wow...I'm more of a big thinker who just raises questions.

Ok, I'll try.  I think that what is required are two things: We need more businesses that pay people to write stuff for the Internet...we need to return to the days of the magazine with quality writing, quality editing and publishers who make their life caring for an audience and building loyalty.

 

Nicole Ferraro
IQ Crew
Wednesday October 29, 2008 10:41:36 AM
Furthermore, of course there are going to be layoffs at startups that keep getting funding without cementing a proven revenue stream.
Nicole Ferraro
IQ Crew
Wednesday October 29, 2008 9:59:47 AM
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re: "It is simply a change of "staffing pattern" wherein instead of physically present office staff we now have a cyber office manned by cyber employees."

And not just cyber employees -- but ordinary users willing to provide content for nothing or for a very small slice of the pie.

Nicole Ferraro
IQ Crew
Wednesday October 29, 2008 9:56:42 AM
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Jabailo, thanks for the comment. What sort of model do you see reasonable? Should all content sites have subscriptions? Should we be paying to use search engines and to watch videos and to read blogs? Do you think these models would actually work on the Internet? iTunes is a good example of a success story; AOL is not. Just wondering if you can expand on this idea a bit.
Mary Jander
Thinkernetter
Wednesday October 29, 2008 9:45:26 AM
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Benjamin Wright made a good point in his message below: that companies laying off workers need to cover their email tracks, etc. I also think that any firm that lays off workers after taking fresh funding is likely to inspire hostility from employees who helped the startup get ahead in the first place. Possible repercussions don't have to involve malfeasance; they could include further competition and just plain ol' bad blood among key customers.

I think it's crucial that startups pay a lot of attention to who they hire, how many they hire, and how they handle layoffs if those are inevitable.

Natalies_mommy
IQ Crew
Wednesday October 29, 2008 7:39:31 AM
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i think you hit the nail right on the head! In an economy where the cost of everything is going up and the average person is feeling the pinch one of the FIRST things that will be cut (in my budget) are the random things we buy thatare not necessary. No one is going to buy the milk, when you can milk the cow for free, and yes time is money, but i tink more people will take them time, vs spending the money.

kochsner
Researcher
Tuesday October 28, 2008 10:39:35 PM
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Pay sites on the internet will lead to conglomerates.  Who wants to pay $1.95 here a month, $5.95 there, $19.95 in another place.  We would be nickel and dimed to death.   A one stop shopping service will be the way to go.  AOL used to be that one stop shopping place, until people found that they could go to bulletin boards for free, access online dictionaries, video etc... and it tanked to the shell it is.  Google could one day may start charging for it's Google Docs suite...(But then it wouldn't be in beta any more.) And people would pay it for its vast resources. We are costco buyers. Become a member, buy in bulk.  The one stop shop internet sites will go the way as the mom and pop stores have done in the "real" world. 
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