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Tim O'Reilly: Web 2.0 Is Not Over

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4/23/2008 20 comments
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SAN FRANCISCO -- Web 2.0 Expo -- Tim O'Reilly, founder and CEO of O'Reilly Media Inc. , and the man responsible for coining the term "Web 2.0," pleaded with a large Expo audience today during his keynote to stop believing what they read in the headlines, because Web 2.0 is far from over.

Kicking off his keynote, O'Reilly defined "deep trends" in Web 2.0 -- such as the Internet as a platform, a harnessing of collective intelligence, data as the "intel inside," software as above the level of a single device, and software as a service -- and he called on the audience to recognize that there's still work to do in this space. "Do you really think we're done yet with these trends, with where they're taking us?" he asked a packed yet rather unresponsive crowd. "We've got a long way to go... a lot to discover."

O'Reilly defined the future of Web 2.0 through three emerging trends embracing the enterprise, the "cloud," and the mobile device.

"The enterprises understand that Web 2.0 is about turning themselves inside out," he said. Comparing a company like Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) (which he considers to be a Web 2.0 company) to a large bank, he said they both have "massive data centers... both get data from customers... both sell services, not products. But only one of them does real-time, user-facing services based on their data." (That's Google, by the way, for those of you who aren't quick with innuendos...)

"Google is all about giving you services against their data." [Ed. Note: And against our will?] "A key piece of this is finding meaning in that data and turning it into user-facing services."

The next trend, he said, is a move to the cloud, or the Internet operating system. O'Reilly cited Google App Engine as an example of our moving away from the need to be connected to a single computer, but this emerging trend isn't without its problems. "Something to worry about in this move to Internet as a platform" is centralization, he said. "If we end up with large centralized players that start to gobble each other up, we end up with too few players and end up losing the innovation we've got so far"

Finally, O'Reilly said, mobile phones and "ubiquitous sensors" are leading us to "ambient computing" and changing the way we interact with computers. "The Web as an artifact of the PC is going away," he said, invoking the example of a new Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT) product released at the Expo, Live Mesh, intended to seamlessly connect users with people, devices, and programs. However, as O'Reilly noted, Live Mesh supports Windows files only, "so they don't really get it."

As the co-producer of an Expo defined by this two-dot-oh label, naturally O'Reilly isn't going to call for the end of the era earlier than necessary. But perhaps the speech was a call for techies and regular people alike to look past the sheep-flinging, Facebook-y, Twitterable trends dominating Web 2.0 now and understand there's more to be done (God willing).

He ended the keynote with a poem by Rainer Maria Rilke called "The Man Watching" and a bit of inspiration (or a plea to skeptics to get inspired): "I just want to remind you and urge you to not follow the headlines... not follow the big, hot things... but to think about and go after big hard problems. If you win or if you lose, make a difference. Make a difference."

— Nicole Ferraro, Site Editor, Internet Evolution

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Insultant
Thinkernetter
Tuesday April 29, 2008 10:31:22 PM
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Ha! Good point - but of course we've put a twist on the blog model by 1. Making our ThinkerNet blogosphere invitation-only, and only inviting experts and 2. Editing the blogs to ensure quality.

IE is an attempt to turn blogs into something more B2B.

sfwriter
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Tuesday April 29, 2008 9:03:42 PM
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re: "Web 2.0 proponents have encouraged B2B publishers to blindly convert their existing operations to blog based models in the hope that they will 1. Increase their audeince and 2. Cut costs. And most B2B publishers have taken the bait, with stunningly disastrous consequences."

Not to point out the elephant in the room, but isn't IE a blog-based model? Have the consequences been stunningly disastrous?

I worked in B2B publishing for years but have no clue about how the business models work these days.

experiences
IQ Crew
Tuesday April 29, 2008 1:51:05 PM
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Indeed, yes it was very useful. Thanks. 

So the B2B brand's  focus  is on rich insight and credibility delivered as a service, where the internet is one of many touch points and not the only one. 

 

 

Insultant
Thinkernetter
Tuesday April 29, 2008 1:32:44 PM

Well, you know the expression: "Opinions are like [expletive deleted]; everyone has one." 

There is genuine incompatibility between the concept of user-generated content and B2B publishing.

B2B publishers traditionally have seen their role as creating proprietary, original and high-quality content, which they use to attract  a highly qualified/specialized audience of people that buy expensive specialized "stuff." And they then make money by providing their customers (advertizers) with access to that audience.

Well, in the Web 2.0 world publishers no longer have to spend all that moneyto pay pesky editors and analysts to generate that high value content because the Web site readers do it for them, for free.

The problem is it doesn't work.

User generated content is fine for consumer sites, where the content focuses on things that lots of people know lots about (changing a tyre, getting a filling at the dentist, baking a pie). But the entire point of B2B publishing is that it focuses on topics that only a few people understand. And the value of the B2B publisher is in creating content that provides people with information on those topics.

Let's take a real world example of something we might cover on IE's sister site, Light Reading: how to make money by offering integrated VOIP and video on demand over DSL networks. That's a topic which only a handful of service provider employees can talk to, and they are certainly not going to share that information on the message board of a Web site where their competitors can read it.  

Web 2.0 proponents have encouraged B2B publishers to blindly convert their existing operations to blog based models in the hope that they will 1. Increase their audeince and 2. Cut costs. And most B2B publishers have taken the bait, with stunningly disastrous consequences.

At Light Reading we did the exact opposite: poured money into developing huge quantities of data on the telecom industry and then working out multiple ways to make money from the audience that came to read it (Webinars, research, video, live events, etc. etc. etc.).

More later.

Hope this is useful.

Insultant.

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IQ Crew
Saturday April 26, 2008 4:58:15 AM

My question focuses on the whole issue of "thought leadership" and the B2B space.

Is articulating an opinion equal to thought leadership ?

With so much of opinion all over the internet, who is a true thought leader and how does this person or corporation build credibility ?

Take the example of existing thought leaders... they have existed in the offline world and have established credibility ...

That is the challenge on the internet and for internet brands. 

 

RPR
IQ Crew
Friday April 25, 2008 3:27:45 PM
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Yes, please rejoin the fray Stephen to fill gap with plan (business case) you say is MIA.
experiences
IQ Crew
Friday April 25, 2008 2:45:27 PM
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From a B2B perspective , Lately the "Web 2.0" is dominated more with opinion than deep thinking or analysis . Which highlights the issue of credibility or the lack of it.

As an established B2B publisher , Would like to know your views on it ..

Paul Whyte
Researcher
Friday April 25, 2008 12:17:40 PM
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Just sharing this article with you. The writer believed tha even Oreilly could no longer give a valid definition of what he means by Web 2.0

There is No Web 3.0, There is No Web 2.0 - There is Just the Web

 

RPR
IQ Crew
Friday April 25, 2008 8:55:10 AM
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jabailo, your comments make for enjoyable reading. Thank You. Individual expression is good and a help in bringing the world together on positive common visions... rather than labels (e.g., 2.0, 3.0). Ideally the Internet evolves significantly before, by and beyond the year 2020 to enable giant leaps and increasingly be a force for good that more so brings together diversity and unity and enables greater dimensions of innovation and prevention. This must happen and in various ways (e.g., perhaps including Knowledge Cafes in Second Life) if a global IT profession is to increasingly emerge and someday reach its highest inherent form perhaps somehow helping humanity to evolve, positive climate change to happen, poverty to be eliminate, war to be replaced by sustainable peace, corruption and the cost of errors to be significantly reduced, education to be free and stress free for all. Software, technology and information have the potential to increasingly enable more fun, joy and value. Positive progress is occurring, and individual expressions and efforts are helping. The whole is however greater than the sum of its parts. As the world increasingly comes together all shall gain, and each human being will more so have the opportunity and support to be lifted, and to help lift others, to their fullest, their best.   

jabailo
IQ Crew
Thursday April 24, 2008 8:23:31 PM
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This may even lead people of the world to increasingly act more so as one and to more so come together on positive common visions.

 

The very though horrifies me!

 

I dont want to "act more as one".  I want to act like myself.  I would hope there are more and more individual ranges of expression.   I think the "web" is too diverse, too powerful and too expanding to be subsumed by a tinny term like 2.0, 3.0 or whatnot.

 I refuse to use the term and I do not recognize it as valid. 

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